Prime 160 lbs of RJJ... Could anyone beat him,THAT RJJ ?

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  1. Waynegrade

    Waynegrade Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fast, great power,couldn,t touch him and great ring savvy... SRR,Hagler (southpaw stance) Monzon might give him some problems. Like to hear how you guys see this going... And he had that sick dimension of speed...
     
  2. atberry

    atberry Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Eubank had the reflexes, chin and sneaky counter overarm right to take him. Not on points.
     
  3. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Tommy Hearns had the height, reach and boxing skills to take Roy Jones out of his comfort zone. Hearns had the jab to reach Jones and the power to hurt just about anyone.

    Not saying Roy couldn't beat him but the Hitman would be an interesting test.
     
  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Neither Eubank nor Hearns would have beat RJJ to the punch or in timing or in instinct. Jones was a great instinctual fighter and had a speed of delivery that damn near no one possessed.
     
  5. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It would have been tough...with all due respect to the oldtimers.
     
  6. Waynegrade

    Waynegrade Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I can,t see Eubank hanging with Jones,who i feel was at another level IMO...I get the Hearns reference. Could Hearns blind RJJ with his jab and send in a screaming right cross ? I don,t feel Hearns was quite as devastating at 160 and I truly feel RJJ could get Hearns gone as soon as he hurts him. The problem here for Eubank ,Hearns etc,is speed. RJJ had an insane amount of speed and I think he could pull the trigger quicker that ANYONE I have ever seen fight. Echoing dpw sentiments... I think RJJ,s speed and reflexes makes a lot of them look like their moving in sand...
     
  7. atberry

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    Eubank looked slightly better than Jones against Malinga and Thornton, smoother and more accurate. He had both in as much trouble as well but they weren't stopped. What Eubank didn't have was any workrate, which would actually frustrate Jones.
     
  8. atberry

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    Hearns would be swept aside in a few rounds, one tricky lead right would wobble him.
     
  9. kmac

    kmac On permanent vacation Full Member

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    wow! jones beat the hell out of both malinga and thornton in his prime but eubank looked better? everyone is entitled to their opinion but i have a feeling if jones was british and eubank was american, you'd have a different opinion.
     
  10. AREA 53

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    Whilst Roy's Output was Stylish, Dynamic Fast and Balletic. With most opponents a Step or two behind, I do wonder if that Stylish Cultured Output could of been Distrupted and / or Maintained, If Dragged into the trenches by a Cruder operator but someone with a Fanatical will to win, who will not be discouraged early, but would be thinking Long Haul...
    "My Time's Coming Pensecola Prancer..." Im sure a few names that will come to the fore are ..
    Harry Greb
    Sam Langford
    Micky Walker

    Also Perhaps might make it intersting ..Certainly in a fifteen Rounder

    Gene Fullmer
    Ellesworth Webb
    Dick Tiger

    Stranger things have Happened...
    Michael Nunn ( Of Frank Tate Fight)
    Rubin Carter ( Could the Hurricane make RJ go a bit Sweaty..?

    Roy Usually Looks a Million Dollors... But i do think Some "Hard Nuts" could make him look like Mouldy Old Dough...
     
  11. frankenfrank

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    Prime versions of Michael Nunn, Reggie Johnson, Gerald McClellan and Julian Jackson could.

    Also no reason to assume that a closer to his prime McCallum @ 160 would not have fared better than he did about a decade later at 175.
    Kalambay, Eubanks, Collins, Toney, Rubin Carter and Hearns would have been dangerous too.
    In a 15 rds fight it is hard to imagine that someone like Rodrigo Valdez or Dick Ihetu would not have caught him at some point.
    Even his fight against Castro was scheduled for 10, and Castro did better than the rest. Given 12, better chances that Castro could do some damage.
    This is in addition to the recognized greats such as Hagler, Greb and Monzon, whom I doubt his greatness.
     
  12. atberry

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    Collins wouldn't have been dangerous.
     
  13. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why not? he managed KDs on Reggie Johnson and on Eubanks. Roy was probably more durable to the body than Eubanks, but far less to the head.
    Collins would have probably been decked by Jones, but the difference between them was that if Jones would have gotten tagged by him, most chances are he would have lost more than just the round.
     
  14. thistle1

    thistle1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    passing through a weight division does not make one that weight!

    RJJ is a SMW at least, but more accurately a L-HW...

    P4P, H2H and all that s h i t... the same IS True when placing fighters in 'their' real weight 4 weight... and at L-HW it's a whole new set of circumstances, history and fantasy Match Ups.
     
  15. Waynegrade

    Waynegrade Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The thing to remember that prime RJJ,didn,t lose rds much less fights. And,he could crack at 160-168. He schooled Toney,so I don,t get that reference. McClellan,Johnson ,Jackson,Nunn and Eubank are a notch below RJJ at middle. Those guys all lost to not great fighters. So, I can,t see them beating RJJ. His chin was still pretty solid at the point. And he had WAY faster hands,(not even close) than all the aforementioned fighters.I think the only ones who could be a problem, SRR,Monzon and Hagler. His speed power and ability to not get hit,too much for most anyone... He absolutely schooled Hopkins and Toney,I get that it was early in all their careers . But, these two were and went on to be top notch fighters. Toney stopped Nunn and Hopkins beats most of them out there as well...