Prime-4-Prime, Joe Fraizer vs Vitali Klitschko, who wins?

silenc · Nov 10, 2011

mightyd40 said: ↑

i think vital would win a decision due to his size and ability to control the fight. His ko percentage is high but its primarily because he's fighting in an age of heavyweight bums. Joe frazier was no bum, he would've tried all throughout the fight and probably would've given vitali some trouble at times and maybe even put him on his ass once or twice. Vitali by wide decision against a game joe frazier.
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Lunny · Nov 10, 2011

The Akbar One said: ↑

Lets be realistic. Joe would be too small for Vitali. Frazier wasn't even 6'0 tall. He would be at a huge reach disadvantage also.
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Vitalis reach is exactly the same as Ali's.

Vladimir23 · Nov 10, 2011

Frazier was a ridiculously overrated one dimensional one handed chinny midget.

Vitali easily destroys Frazier.

Bubby · Nov 10, 2011

DanishFightfan said: ↑

:nono.. Remember, we live in a fantasy world where Joe Frazier is an unstoppable machine, he is so tough that a tank wouldnt be able to run him down, he used to knock down mountains with ease in his prime, his reflexes is from another world which makes him capable of dodging bullets, he is unbreakable and is able to outrun a jet..
So never EVER suggest that this force of nature can be beaten, FRAZIER!! Would walk through any modern heavyweight without trouble.
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It's because Joe just passed away, give it a few weeks...

Bubby · Nov 10, 2011

Vladimir23 said: ↑

Frazier was a ridiculously overrated one dimensional one handed chinny midget.

Vitali easily destroys Frazier.
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flashy k.o · Nov 10, 2011

Vitali would win by TKO in 8th round . I know that the era of Frazier was one of the most exciting eras of heavyweight div. , no doubt , but be more realistic ..... I'm a nostalgic about those fights, too ..... but the reality would be other ...

Lunny · Nov 10, 2011

Jeez I voted for Vitali and gave my reasons but some of you guys need to show a bit of respect. Slagging a legend like Frazier just after he dies is low.

Guyfawkes · Nov 10, 2011

Everyone who picked gaytali ***gotchko is a delusional ****ing moron.

big_AL · Nov 10, 2011

the_baller said: ↑

This is bull****. VK has never fought anyone near Joe caliber and won. I don't see how you can say VK wins; much less by a wide UD.:-(
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so why did you ask the question if you're so sure of the answer?

DanishFightfan · Nov 10, 2011

Foreman TKO 2 Frazier.. If that happened today we would get a thousand threads about Frazier being a glass jawed fraud..

timeout · Nov 10, 2011

This is just a klit hate thread.
And baller is nothing more than a *** that is dragging frasiers name through the mud, trying to get a raise out of ppl.

Two words for u" **** off"

Jappa · Nov 10, 2011

Lmao.

Like Vitali could get up from the left hook he dealt Ali in the first fight.

As of Vitali has the heart to take the punishment given to Ali in the 3rd fight.

Sure.

And no, dont tell me the fight between him and Lewis shows he has heart because

Frazier > Lewis.

And

Foreman >>>>>>>>> Both Klits.

Joe · Nov 10, 2011

I think Dr Analfist by KO :nod

grouche · Nov 10, 2011

Guyfawkes said: ↑

Everyone who picked gaytali ***gotchko is a delusional ****ing moron.
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I don't believe you hate Vitali, no way :rofl:rofl

grouche · Nov 10, 2011

SILENCER said: ↑

FRAZIER! This name is supposed to strike fear into the hearts of boxing fans and teleport them into a never-ending state of terror. "Frazier!" (you have to pronounce it like televangelists pronounce "jeEEE-Zess").

Only 2 win opponents of Ali are really famous: Frazier is one of them (with george foreman being the other). Frazier even beat Muhammad Ali once thus he is very special to nostalgists. the question i ask is how would the brothers in there primes do against him?

whenever I listen to AliFan(t)s ("Ali fantasizers") I definitely get the feeling that they are NOT talking about a human (Joe Frazier) but about THE FRAZIAAAH, an alien robot who has been tweaked by his alien masters to conquer the best fighters of all time ("I..must..destroy..I..must..bob") and could only be temporarily stalled by "Cryptonite Clay" and (for some yet unknown reason) by "Fantastic 4man". Other than that no human being in the history of boxing could survive the weaving of the FRAZIAAAH!Well, let's forget for a second fairy-tales (because we simply cannot argue against witchcraft arguments) and let's instead compile some factual achievements.

Frazier was blind on left eye his entire professional career (after a training accident 1964) He would pass medical exams by covering his left eye and then switch his arm to cover his left eye AGAIN. Such a handicap as Frazier wouldn't be allowed to box nowadays.
Height: 5'11'.5''
Started as a cruiser 197 lbs.
Median weight of Frazier's KOvictim: 197 lbs (cruiser)
Career record (all fights): 32-4
Career record real heavyweight fights 200x2 lbs: 13-4
Career record real superheavyweight fights 215x2 lbs: 1-2
That would be Frazier's real superheavyweight experience when facing Klitschkos.

There MUST be something else that I am missing! Let's check his performance against natural heavies (= those who never boxed sub-200 lbs and thus are somewhat comparable to Wladimir Klitschko):
Frazier boxed 9 times against natural heavies (that's good)
He scored 4 KOs
of which 3 were against bums
·Don Smith (11-7)
·Ron Stander (37-21)
·Mel Turnbow (8-13)
and 1 KO (round 11) was against a non-bum
·Buster Mathis (30-4, 61% KOratio), a very fat boxer. No wonder Frazier could KO him in the 11th round: It was the first time that Buster went more than 10 rounds and already the previous 10-rounder of Buster was merely a split decision against bum ·Bob Stallings (31-32, 201 lbs).
Hmm, I am still not impressed.

Let's check what happened when Frazier fought the only heavyweight in the 1970ies who is somewhat comparable to Klitschko: George Foreman.It was one of the most one-sided brutal beatings of the 1970ies ("Ping Pong vs King Kong")

On the Internet there are COUNTLESS of other similar statements ("Tyson KOs Klitschko within 1 round", "Ali within 5" etc etc) and the best way to counter is to check whom the boxers actually _DID_ KO within the mentioned number of rounds and whether those KO victims are comparable to Klitschko.

Joe Frazier KOed 14 opponents within 3 rounds (that's pretty good, considering he had only 37 fights).

But it turns out that ALL of them were bums (median career record of these bums 11-23) except for 2 opponents
·Bob Foster 188 lbs (= cruiser) and
·Dave Zyglewycz 190 lbs (= cruiser) whom tiny Frazier (hold your hat) out-weighed, out-reached and out-talled.
Dave Zyglewycz has been called "the worst guy to ever get a title shot" and once you check his wins (ONLY bums, median record 10-16) you will have to agree.
In other words: Another AliFant(asy) exposed.

Chris Byrd (who is universally considered a featherfist) posed a much higher punch threat than Ali or Frazier ever would. yes i did actually say that! Byrd's number of real heavyweight KOs 200x2 is more than twice as high (19) as Frazier's ( Chris Byrd looks even good when compared to Earnie Shavers (= allegedly another Super Puncher if you believe the Ali mythology) Byrd has more KOs in real superheavyweight fights 215x2 than Joe Frazier and Earnie Shavers COMBINED now I know, these are facts that good-old-time nostalgists try to ignore, but
Chris Byrd (who is universally considered a featherfist) posed a much higher punch threat than Frazier ever would.

To sum it up:
Joe Frazier is a superheavyweight extreme featherfist
Joe Frazier's median KOvictim is a cruiser 197 lbs
Joe Frazier is smaller than Chris Byrd
Joe Frazier is less reachy than Chris Byrd
Joe Frazier is a handicap (left eye blind)
Joe Frazier (median 204 lbs) is less heavy than Chris Byrd (median 213 lbs)
Joe Frazier never faced anyone as tall as Klitschko or as punchstrong as Klitschko
Joe Frazier never faced anyone as heavyweight experienced as Klitschko

When Joe Frazier met the only heavyweight comparable to Klitschko (Foreman) he was violently schooled
After years of reading "Ali mythology" I still didn't find out how in the world someone can believe that Frazier poses a threat to Klitschko whatsoever (or even to modern heavyweights in general).

Let me tell you: There is NOTHING in the record of Frazier that would remotely convince me of a win against a Klitschko. Instead ALL of the facts point at an easy win for Klitschko (and we didn't even analyze how well Klitschko fared against such opponents like Frazier).

Frazier's best win was against Ali. It's especially valuable because it was a James vs Bond match ("Double-0" = 2 unbeaten fighters). But that's about it. There is not a single other performance of Frazier that is remotely impressive.

Let's make it even more clear:

Joe Frazier is not the "Super Tyson" that AliFans made him out to be

Muhammad Ali's problems with Frazier are not a proof of the quality of Frazier, but a proof of the limitedness of Ali

George Foreman put Frazier there where he objectively belongs

Wake up. The 1970ies are over.

Klitschko fighting such a small, featherfisty, half-blind opponent like Joe Frazier, would be the final proof for haters of how the current era sucks.

p.s dont bother posting your wlad losing to sanders videos and please do keep neglecting the fact that fighters peak at different times and please keep on overlooking guys like patterson and louis who were floored more times than wlad yet there chins are never questioned!! so bring on the cliches and grandads 'old favourites' and keep telling yourselves that boxing is the only sport in which its athletes dont improve as the years go on.

and dont take this post personal,im talking pure boxing,my rerspects go out to joe and his family.
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