prime 4 primeTyszu vc JC chavez

He wasn't in his prime against Randall.

Ramirez gave him some troubles wiht his toughness, but nothing Chavez couldn't handle. He was comfortably ahead in that fight before the headbut.

He had a lot of trouble with Taylor, but Taylor was a phenom, and on that night probably beats Tszyu and DLH. Meldrick Taylor threw more punches at Chavez that night than Tszyu threw in three fights. His activity was insane.

 

meldrick taylor wa better than Tszyu o please now who is being biased.

you Sweet always come with a way to bring Tszyu down. Next you will be telling use Gatti was better than Tszyu.

When does this **** end and when dos Tszyu get respect from someone like you.
its always the same **** you think that Tszyu having the longest title reign at 140 and being the only man to Unify the division means nothing because why.

OH THATS RIGHT BECAUSE HE WASNT BORN IN THE USA.

all i will say when does it end.
ive giving Sweet Pea his respect by saying he beat Chavez and the fight was bull****.
But yet every time Tszyu is mentioned in a possible fight against someone like say PBF,Pernell,Chavez or even Meldrick Taylor you always have him losing.

but heres me being honest when i say Tszyu would lose to say
Aaron Pryor
Oscar Dela Hoya
Shane Mosley
at 140
but every time i say he would beat
Julio Chavez
Pernell Whitaker
Antonio Cervantes
or even Meldrick Taylor i get shut down.

Im being as honest as i can be because Tszyu matched up well style wise against these people yet you always have Tszyu losing even in his Prime.

 

my other point to all this Sweet Science i think you are right some time and some time yes im wrong and i can admit that.

But part of being an Aussie boxing fan is defending Aussie boxers when fans bag the **** out of them day after day because there not as talented as say the USA fighters.

and i have no problem with that its that boxing fans in general will say oh there **** and they wouldnt stand a chance against say this or that fighter.
but if i dont defend these guys we get no respect in Boxing in general.

we have to support them more because boxing is an international sport and when the international guys start getting more respect maybe Boxing fans will become less critical.

For me one thing Aussie boxers have always done that cant be taking away they give it everything and always make good fights.
Michael Katsidis
Jeff Fenech
Jeff Harding
Paul Briggs
Lionel Rose
Dave Sands
Danny Green
and
Kostya Tszyu
now all these guys if you have seen there fights are fun to watch and leave it all on the line.
its like when you defend Sweet Pea for being to defensive minded as a fighter or not getting enough respect.
im here doing the same so our boxing world isnt disrespected when i think sometimes our fighters cop more hell than yours.

like how much hate does
Ricky Hatton
Joe Calzaghe
Wlad Klitchsko
Manny Pacquiao
Lennox Lewis
Kostya Tszyu

they always get more crap because they werent american because imagine if Calzaghe was a Yank he would be liked more than B-Hop.

 

There is no doubt Tszyu is one of the all time great Jr. Welters. He had all of the skills. But while he was still in his prime, he was knocked out & lost his championship. So this makes it kind of difficult to judge him against the alltime greats. Especially against Chavez who was finally knocked down around his 100th fight. By the way I would have Tszyu beating everyone on your list, with the exception of, Pryor,Chavez & Whitaker.

 

Chavez UD or late stoppage

 

Chavez UD

 

Chaves by Dec

 

Kostya Tszyu you dirty ho

 

Yep, just as Trevor Berbick's style beats Muhamad Ali everytime out!:yep

 

Boppa, just becuase I have a few guys beating Tszyu doesn't mean that I think he was ****, it just means that I think other fighters were better than him. Sure, I may not rate him as highly as some others do, but my position on him is by no means absurd.

So I think there's probably 10 men better than him at his weight over 120 years. Is that such a mark of disrespect?

And as for defending the Aussies, well I do my bit here and there where I can. I've had great things to say about the likes of Griffo, Rose, Famechon, Fenech and co.

Just the other day in the classic forum, the question was asked which featherweight could step up and beat Duran at lightweight. I answered Young Griffo. I did so becuase I'm proud he was Aussie, but also because he does have a legitimate claim. He was a featherweight who stepped up and whipped the best lightweights of his day (and they were yanks!) Kid Lavigne and Jack McAuliffe. Fighters like Griffo should be celebrated, he was a master, and has the runs up on the board against other greats.

 

This is the WORST POST EVER BY YOU SWEET SCIENTIST.

EVER you think over 120 years of Junior Welterweight which didnt originate until 1926 when Mushy Callahan won the first NBA title over Pinkey Mitchell. so 120 years you think 1926 until 2007. umm that isnt 120 years.

and if you think there are 10 better 140 fighters that would mean your saying that
Aaron Pryor
Antonio Cervantes
Julio C Chavez
Jack Berg
Dulio Loi
Eddie Perkins
Nicilino Loche
Barney Ross
Tony Canzoneri
Juan Coggi

are all better than Tszyu or a list simular to that.
That just summed up how baised you are towards Kostya Tszyu.

*Tszyu holds the World Record Title reign at 140 division being from November 1998 until June 2005.

*Tszyu also holds the record for 140 title defenses being 13 thats one more than Chavez.

*and last but not least he is the only Man to Unify this division holding the WBA,WBC,IBF and the Ring Belt all at the same time.

YET ONCE AGAIN YOU GIVE TSZYU NO CREDIT SWEET SCIENTIST NOW THIS IS GETTING OUT OF CONTROL.

Not even the great Aaron Pryor did what Tszyu did not even close and yet you have Tszyu being the 11th best all time in the division.

GIVE ME A F*&KING BREAK. and you said you werent hating on Tszyu yeah right.

Tszyu no matter what should be in the 3 best 140 fighters of All Time in everyones mind. if not its a disgrace.

 

what I don't understand about this post is that if one fighter has a build in excuss before he even fights what's the point of fighting at all?

Surely the outcome must mean something, after all they are professional fighters. I know age can influence an outcome but to me when two fighters get in the ring the outcome actually matters, if it doesn't than it's a pointless exercise.

Now I understand that the traditional comeback is to compare Spinks to Ali or something along those lines, but really if build in excusses are there even before a fight begins, one has to wonder why they fought in the first place.

 

Tszyu is way Greater than Meldrick Taylor. the fact you mentioned Taylor and Tszyu in the same breath just means you once again trying to make Taylor sound better than he was because he was an American.

Yet when we look at Tszytu career compared to Taylor's you think Taylor is better. This is why i hate on Americans sometimes because they say **** like this. Whats next Ken Norton is Greatyer than Lennox Lewis because he was American.

Sweet Pea Whitaker would get KO'd by Tszyu so STFU.

Yeah that Meldrick Tayor sure was Great with loses to
Julio Chavez Twice TKO 12,TKO 8
Terry Norris TKO 4
Crisanto Espana TKO 8
Darren Maciunski SD 10
Hasan Al UD 10
Kirino Garcia UD 12
Wayne Martell UD 10
he won a total of 4 title fights yet Tszyu won 15.

Yep they sure are close.
i hate this **** sometimes and you wonder why i have to defend Tszyu because you think a guy like Taylor is in the same league as Tszyu.

 

Also Sweet Pea i was fan of Whitaker but when fans like you constantly bring fighters like Tszyu down by saying there as good as Meldrick Taylor when clearly its not even close.


i was a fan of Pernell for years but the more and more i talk to you and the other Sweet Pea fans it makes me think well his fans are pretty biased.

i dont know what you have against Tszyu but like i said and will always say he deserves more respect and deserves to mentioned in the same breath as the other top 140 fighters all time in Pryor,Chavez and Cervantes.

 

looking at it right now Sweet Pea.

39 fans on ESB have Tszyu beating Chavez

31 have Chavez beating Tszyu

yet you wont me to believ Taylor stands a chance when most here have him beating a Prime Chavez.

This is why i think sometimes Americans overate ther fighters. i only have to mention the 1000's of USA fans who had Lacy KOing Calzaghe.