prime 4 primeTyszu vc JC chavez

When you take out Juan "the record padder" Coggi from that list (and add in Wilfred Benitez), it doesn't seem biased at all. If you ever manage to cure your myopia, I think you'd come to see that. In any case, I'd probably have Tszyu over Kid Berg as well, and you could arguably put him over Perkins, but I wouldn't argue with anyone that had those guys ahead of Tszyu.

Together with the names you listed you could add the likes of Henry Armstrong, Benny Leonard, Ike Williams, Pernell Whitaker, Packey McFarland, Jose Napoles, Carlos Ortiz, Oscar de la Hoya and other great lightweights who all had fights at 140 with good victories there.

I'm more interested in things like who did he beat, how good were they, how good did he look in doing it, who did he lose to, why did he lose to them and things like that, rather than looking at stats which don't tell us much.

He holds the record for most defences? Wow, and Bernard Hopkins holds the record for the middleweight division. Somehow, dispatching Antwun Echols and Robert Allen 3 times over just doesn't do it for me though. Call me crazy, but that's the way I am.

He is the only man to unify the WBA, IBF and WBC? Again, that's great, but how long have those three belts been around concurrently? Does that mean that he is better than his contemporaries like Zab and Sharmba? Hey, sign me up for that, I TOTALLY agree. :good

Yes, not even Pryor managed to lose during his prime to a B grade fighter. Not even Pryor managed to knock out an Alexis Arguello level fighter when he was coming off a loss to a Willy Wise level fighter. Only Tszyu has that claim to fame.

Agree to disagree.

 

Tszyu by TKO.

 

:good

 

I agree 100%

:good

 

BoppaZoo you are becoming ridiculous, in fact in my opinion you are a disgrace to Australian boxing fans like myself. Just because someone doesn't rate Tszyu in their top 3 or 5 or whatever doesn't mean they are biased against Aussie fighters or fighters who aren't from the USA. Chavez isn't from the USA either so there goes that argument from you.

Tsyzu's best wins are over Sharmba Mitchell and Zab Judah. Thats all there is to it. Thats pretty crappy when you think about it and add in that he got knocked out by Vince Phillips in his prime.

You say Chavez's prime was from 1989 to 1985, that proves how little you know in regards to Chavez. For starters his peak performance was in 1987 at lightweight which was his best weight. His prime IMO would be from about 1986 to 1990. During that period he was at his optimum weight and his skills were at their peak. You mention his head movement as being bad, honestly how many fights have you seen of Chavez? He had excellent head movement and was difficult to hit cleanly. For example watch him against Ruben Castillo (a good contender who gave Sanchez quite a bit of trouble), he is slipping most of Castillo's punches and countering back.

Bringing up the Tsyzu fight against Chavez as evidence that he would beat him in his prime is pathetic. In case you didn't know, that was 20 years after Chavez turned proffessional! 20 DAMN years. Yet somehow that Chavez was as good as he had always been? Tsyzu turned pro in 92 and is considered shot 15 years later. And he had the benefit of not fighting over 100 fights like Chavez.

Chavez wins this, Tsyzu had trouble with pressure fighters in his career. Hatton especially. Sure Tsyzu wasn't at his best but Hatton showed me what would have happened had Chavez fought Tsyzu. Hatton has a more mauling and rough style then Chavez but Chavez would be just as effective against Tsyzu as he would be able to work his way in and break his opponent down. Chavez didn't have a high workrate but he was very accurate and would land on Tsyzu's body and have him ready to go in the later rounds.

 

I'm going to come into bat for Tszyu on this one. Tszyu had an off night against Phillips having to attend court all through his training camp, Tszyu during this time as well while being considered prime had training habits that meant he wasn't as physically strong as he would become after the loss (like eating once a day).

The loss against Hatton was in part imo, the fact his straight right had lost a little something since the ankle surgery. I think the second fight with Mitchell was a bit of an illusion in terms of using it to say Tszyu was close to prime, seeing as he was immediately stopped in subsequent fights with Floyd and Williams. 3 rounds in 3 years isn't really enough to judge a fighters form. Tszyus' legs weren't there in general, Tszyu has a powerful set of legs, both to generate power and create the space he needs when he wants it.

As for Tszyus' qualities as a fighter, I think a puncher, particularly a straight one like like Tszyu would have an advantage due to Chavezs' occasionally lacking head movement, and his counter punching would get to Chavez for that reason as well. Tszyu was also an excellent body puncher himself, and his left hook to the body is one of the greatest in the history of the 140 pound division, it's the punch that destroyed Mitchel and Hurtado, Tszyu is also capable of punishing Chavez to the body.

Tszyu would occasionally brawl like he did with Hatton, but he could also box well when he chose to, he brought a more conservative gameplan against a prime Tacky and completely shut him out, working behind an excellent power jab.

He's a fighter with a lot of formidable tools :good

 

A prime Chavez would apply too much pressure to Tyzu and not give him space to time his right.

 

im a disgrace to Aussie boxing fans yet in the Aussie forum where ive never seen you post before im currently winning the Boxing tipping comp. yet i dont know nothing ok.
for the latest update from the Aussie tipping comp.

this week i picked my picks were
My Picks_______________________The Results
Forrest UD 12___________________Forrest UD 12
Sosa TKO 10____________________Sosa DQ 10
Velasquez UD 12_________________Velasquez TD 10
Berto UD 10 *Joker_______________Berto UD 10
Onikeke TKO 5___________________Onikeke KO 3
Joker means double points in that fight you use it for.

im i trying to rub it in or what a near perfect round for the person who knows nothing and sounds like an idiot.

am i going over the top and really rubbing it in to this guy or what(for the other posters reading this.

i suggest to you get some nuts come to the Aussie forum and enter the comp if you are an Aussie.
anytime i and the Aussie fans will be waiting.

 

tszyu was overrated, best wins over sharmba mitchell and zab judah.

 

arrrh no.
see its these posts i was just talking about that **** me off the most.
i HATE WHEN PEOPLE OVERATE other fighters.
if these people are going to call Tszyu overated i want reasons and real reasons.


best wins Miguel Gonzalez and Zab Judah.

 

Wow, you can guess some fights, doesn't mean you know much. You're overrating of Tsyzu proves you don't know much. Address my post and the facts in it about Chavez. Also I don't post in the Aussie forum because I don't really give a **** about Aussie fighters. Basically...they are all pretty crap. Our best fighter at the moment is Mundine, that says alot.

 

Tszyu got demolished in his prime by Vince Philips. The Chavez that beat Rosario
would knock out Tszyu in under 10 rounds.
Prime for Prime Philips 1-0 Tszyu

 

lol thats what i was thinking...was he incinuating that tszyu had the hand speed of meldrick taylor...and then noticed he did:yikes