prime amir khan would have been a nightmare for floyd

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  1. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    So pac nor pbf are any good then? I'd love to see who you think is. I guarantee you they're not better than those two. You don't know **** about boxing and let your hate for certain fighters prevent you from seeing and appreciating greatness.
     
  2. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It depends does Floyd fight a 147 Khan right after he moves up from 140 like he did to Hatton who had a career at 140lber before moving up for Floyd with very limited adjustment to the weight.

    I'm talking at least a fair fight here.. Actually no why not, Amir Khan can only use his jab and can only rehydrate 2lbs
     
  3. lufcrazy

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    There is no fair fight between Floyd and Khan.

    Khans chin cannot withstand a check hook he doesn't see coming.

    But when would have been the best time to face Khan?

    When he was 140 belt holder, and drag him up?

    After he'd been destroyed by Garcia?

    When he went life and death with Diaz?

    When he'd been killed in the ring against Canelo?

    When he'd been dominated by Crawford?

    Exactly when was Khan supposed to trouble Floyd?
     
  4. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Both Pac and Floyd are very good.. There's elements of manufacture in many boxers career but Floyds takes the biscuit. He's nowhere near as good as you deluded fangirls make him out to be. You cannot be great when you card stack, cherrypick, are ref protected... I just want you to answer these questions.. Why does a great fighter need to do this? Does this make a fighter great? Surely a great fighter fights prime elite/top level opponents consistently on a fair playing field, would they not? Why would you not support that?
     
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  5. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Man you completely ignore my entire posts that address these points.

    Just don't bring up the crawford fight don't be disingenuous
     
  6. Jamie_gooner

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    Oh come on now. Khan was made to do that funny dance and dropped hard at British level. Anyone saying Floyd couldn’t stop him is crazy
     
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  7. Pimp C

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    So beating hernandez at 21 schooling chico beating jlc 2x beating zab beating oscar beating Hatton beating cotto beating jmm beating mosley beating canelo and beating pac meant nothing? Anyone can do it??? A fraud schooled canelo and pac a guy who you call a fraud did that??? Wow! I guess you're the smartest guy in the room. You know more than everyone else. Lmfao!!! Too bad for you pbf is going into the hof this year not bad for a guy who was a cherry picking fraud as you claim.

    Lastly who do you think is good? we've already established that you think pbf canelo and pac are hype and frauds. I already know you won't answer the question because it would expose you badly and that's why what you say is bull**** because you will rate lesser boxers and call them great and bash true atg ones because you don't like them.
     
  8. lufcrazy

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    I asked you when would be the best time for Floyd to have faced Khan, you tell me? When?
     
  9. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why should I even consider your question when you completely gloss over every single relevant point I made?

    "After he'd been destroyed by Garcia?"

    "Khans chin cannot withstand a check hook he doesn't see coming"

    "When he'd been killed in the ring against Canelo?"

    "When he'd been dominated by Crawford"

    These are not even arguments against the points I made.

    I'll answer it anyway becuase you're not gonna even try and bother addressing the points I've mentioned..If Khan should have fought Floyd it should have been after several fights after being accustomed at 147 not after being at 140 for the 99% of your career and dragged up like you mentioned with Hatton

    The point is the facts I mentioned means there is a low possibility of a KO for starters. Why would Floyd not fight Khan it would have been a massive fight? Thats right too much of risk, because despite Khan's recklessness he would cause issues for Floyd
     
  10. lufcrazy

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    I addressed your points directly. Khan was never once knocked out by blunt force trauma, it was always a counter punch he couldn't see.

    When was he accustomed at 147 though? He was sparked by Garcia, then dropped by Julio Diaz, then sparked by Canelo.

    When exactly should the fight have happened?
     
  11. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Again.. That's a lie you haven't addressed my posts at all so what's the point because you're not actually engaging in any debate? You've literally just said buzzwords and sentences that don't in anyway refute anything I said.

    And around the Devon Alexander time
     
  12. lufcrazy

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    Well, I did, but I don't think English is your first language, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

    But here we go again:

    "From 2005 to 2015 Floyd tko/kod three people. In this context the Victor Ortiz KO does not count even if it was deserved. The Hatton fight as I explained.. Hatton was dragged up to 147lbs when he was a 140lber (size matters your cretins is it that hard to comprehend?).. Not only that the ref was protecting Mayweather the whole fight contributing to Hatton getting desperate and KOd"

    So to address this one, I mentioned about dragging Khan up from 140,since he was a long time LWW and had he beaten Khan at his best, he's dragged him up, any time after that Khan was almost always being knocked down or knocked out.

    " Now you really think with that history Floyd is going to tko/ko Khan. We are talking about a Khan who only gets KOd by power punches..and in some of those instances there some Q marks"

    This is wrong. Khan doesn't get knocked out by power punchers, he got knocked out every single time by counter punches he didn't see coming.

    "First of all, Khan got TKOd by power puncher Danny Garcia. Khan got knocked down like 3 or so times and got back up every time. Add that dodgy ref Bayless called the fight despite there only being 30 seconds left in the round and Khan looking at him clear eyed and telling the ref he was okay. At least give the guy chance especially when there is 30 seconds in the round and Khan, although unsteady was clear eyed."

    He was destroyed by a counter punch that nearly gave him whiplash. And no one felt. Khan should have continued this fight ffs.

    " Khan also went 6 rounds with Canelo and was arguably winning. This is a Khan who was fighting way above his natural weight fighting a huge guy who looked about 180lbs+. Joke fight and realistically only had one outcome given the szie disparity."

    Again, he was one bombed by a counter shot he didn't see coming.

    " Khan also took huge bombs from Maidana and still carried and won the fight."

    Like I said, his vulnerability to power punchers is a myth, Maidana telegraphed every punch he ever threw.

    "It's laughable that people think Mayweather would KO Khan. There's a chance alright but its small."

    Khan would get destroyed by the first solid counter Floyd lands, probably a check hook.

    But as for your timing, after Alexander he went life and death with Algieri, before Alexander he went life and death with Diaz.

    The true answer is any time Floyd beats Khan he'd have got no credit from you. He either fights him in his prime when he drags him up, or out of his prime when he's looking bad every other fight.

    Don't be so dishonest with your posts, it makes it too easy to expose your hypocrisy.
     
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  13. shadow111

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    I can't believe I'm siding with Q here, but the answer is after Khan dominated Alexander. That's when the fight was really being talked about. That was after Floyd went life and death with Maidana.

    The Khan that beat Alexander beats the Floyd that struggled with Maidana. There was a window where many favored Khan to beat Floyd, and for good reason. After the Canelo fight, Floyd started slowing down and after he fought Maidana it became clear that he was getting easier to hit. Khan was at his peak after he beat Alexander heading into 2015, and even after he fought Algieri, Khan was still the fight that most fans wanted to see Floyd fight after he beat Pacquiao. Instead he disappointingly fought Berto then retired, ducking Khan in the process.
     
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  14. lufcrazy

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    So peak Khan, who went life and death with Chris Algieri barely escaping with victory, that's your fighter to beat Floyd?

    The win against Alexander looks good on paper until you remember how bad Alexander was at that point in his career.

    The problem with this narrative of Khan beating Floyd, is it doesn't fit in reality.

    The best Khan was at 140. At 147 he couldn't gain any kind of momentum or good form.

    Beats Molina who was an unranked opponent
    Life and death with Diaz, who was an unranked opponent
    Beats Collazo who was an unranked opponent
    Beats Alexander, good victory over a ranked opponent
    Life and Death with Algieri, unranked opponent.

    So in these 5 fights he faced exactly one ranked opponent. He arguably lost two fights. And at no point was he ever a favourite to beat Floyd.

    Beyond that, he had no belt, no risky fights, he held out entirely for the big fight cheque.
     
  15. Quina74

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    Right, I'd rather struggle with the English language then have absolutely minimal critical thinking and logic you POS... And no you absolutely did not and you have failed yet again.
    There's a difference between being accustomed to a weight than fighting at one weight (140) and moving up to 147 then moving back down again (Hatton) . Yeah let's also ignore the dodgy ref in the Hatton fight.

    Khan was also never KOd at welterweight (I'm not counting Crawfords bullock stoppage over shot Khan a tko/ko)

    Khan gets knocked down but he gets back up against clearly bigger punchers than Mayweather.
    I meant power punchers * not power punches.. And that is true.. Danny Garcia is considered a power puncher.. Canelo fight is null because he was 180lbs dragging a far smaller guy up.. Yeah he timed him but size difference matters jesus f christ.
    Danny Garcia clearly has some power and its evident when he lands.. Timing (in Garcias case let Khan throw a punch and I'll close my eyes and throw a punch too) is good but you need you couple that with power. Khan got up multiple times clear eyed and it was an early stoppage by dodgy Bayless. Love how you consistently ignore the history of Floyd and his lack of knockouts.
    Are you an imbecile? I don't think you can quite comprehend that size disparity is a huge advantage. Floyd would not rehydrate like that

    Khans vulnerabity to power punches is a myth? Sorry what are you on about that's not even a thing no one says that. Punches you do see coming do can still hurt..

    Maidana clocked/hurt him with big punches in that fight that weren't excessively telegraphed.

    So you're going to choose to base your conclusion on Khan's poor performance against Diaz and Algieri, which he won and didnt get knocked out, rather than Khan's shutout win against a better opponent in Alexander. All these fights took place around the time Mayweather very arguably lost against the "telegraphed every punch he threw" Maidana.

    You really are deluded.

    First of all you completely fail and ignore Floyds history of minimal tkos/ko. Like you don't even have a single argument here. Secondly, you fail to even tackle Khan's ko losses. He got KOd by a huge Canelo (yes timing obviously plays a part) and a power puncher in Danny Garcia (as to which Khan got up several times and received a dodgy early stoppage from the PBC ref who does it all the time)

    I'm arguing there is a low possibility of Floyd ko/tkoing Khan. I'm not saying Khan would win against him but whay I am saying is that he would cause him issues.

    Dishonest people calling others dishonest..just stop
     
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