Prime Bernard Hopkins vs Prime GGG. Who wins?

At least he beat those blown up fighters instead of losing decisions to them like GGG did to Canelo, sure they were controversial but the fights were close while Hopkins dominated those P4P'ers that moved up to face him.

Golovkins's power as good as is was wouldn't be enough, RJJ was a monster puncher at 160lbs and 168lbs with a 88% KO ratio, plus Hopkins faced big punchers at higher weights and wasn't stopped until he was absolutely ancient, I'm confident he could take Golovkin's best shots, if Golovkin could land them that is.

Hopkins made a career or disarming big punchers, like Tito, Pavlik and Tarver you need speed and movement to beat Hopkins, the ability to beat him to the punch, then be gone to avoid the counter. That's not GGG, he's not fast, his foot work is great at cutting off the ring, but his agility and speed of foot is simply not good enough, you need to be an RJJ, Taylor or a Dawson to negate Hopkins style and strengths and GGG simply doesn't have to style to beat Hopkins.

 

Behave yourself

 

Call me when Golovkin is knocked down by friggin Segundo Mercado

Just as people tend not to give GGG credit for beating Kell Brook because he came up from a lower weight class, why should I give Hopkins much credit for beating breadstick Trinidad?

Tarver had a ko% of 56%.

Canelo 62% Murata 68% Jacobs 73% Brook 65% Lemieux 75% Proksa 63% ko percentages at a quick glance. So quite a few and that's not even mentioning guys like Stevens who could hit real hard but were deficient in other ways so that their punching power didn't translate into a good ko%.

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At 160 Golovkin has a better resume than Hopkins and 160 is what is relevant. But yeah, I guess Golovkin needs to fight Clinton Mitchell and lose for you to respect him

Hopkins was known for fighting bums as many times as he could. Golovkin was known for the name fighters ducking behind curtains and into dumpsters when they heard he was around.

 

Felix Trinidad was 40-0 P4P ranked number 2, and was coming off destroying a legit Middleweight belt holder in William Joppy. Not to mention being the betting favourite over Hopkins at the time.

Canelo only had 1 fight at Middleweight prior to fighting Golovkin and that was vs Chavez Jr. Infact Trinidad had looked way more impressive at 154 and in his debut Middleweight fight than Canelo did.

 

Canelo is a drugs cheat that cut massive amounts of weight in order to have as much weight advantage over his opponents as possible. There's a reason he's at light heavy right now.

 

Yes i know but really looking at Canelo vs Golovkin 1, Trinidad vs Hopkins, the situation is very similar. Both fighters in Canelo, Trinidad, had only 1 fight at Middleweight and were moving up from Jr Middleweight. People say Trinidad was a blown up Welterweight but yet evidence says otherwise, he destroyed William Joppy who was considered a good/solid Middleweight champion plus Trinidad was the favourite over Hopkins.

 

Yes the Trinidad that defeated 6 Olympic medalist & defended his IBF WW belt 16 times.The Trinidad who was undefeated as a JR.Middle weight (154) The Trinidad who smacked the crap out of Joppy & KO him to win his WBA MW belt.At 5'11 Trinidad was built for the Middle weight division.He had power in both hands good Jab & good chin.He is a better boxer than any boxer that GGG has ever faced.In just 3 fights as a super WW he won two of the Super WW title belts from both Vargas & Reid Both Undefeated at the time of fighting Trinidad & both Olympic Medalist.Hopkins was just to big & strong & smart for Trinidad & they also fought shortly after 911.

 

I consider Hopkins & Trinidad P4P greats & GGG a really good boxer big difference.Trinidad defeated 6 Olympic Medalist.He was Undefeated as a WW & super WW.At 5'11 he always struggled to make 147 & think he was built more for the super ww division & MW division.Trinidad also defended his IBF WW belt 16 consecutive times only Henry Armstrong defended longer-19 times.

 

I totally agree with you for me GGG falls short of being an ATG.

 

Canelo had had 3 fights over the 154 limit before fighting GGG. The fact that he is a notorious weight cutter means that he was likely heavier than GGG on fight night. There's a reason he doesnt put his weight up on fight night anymore.

Yeah, so? Canelo whooped Cotto who is probably a HoF candidate. Trinidad being favourite over Hopkins says more about Hopkins than it does Trinidad.

 

yes Trinidad was dope
& I’m not saying GGG would cakewalk him either.
But Trinidad while being dope also struggled against talented pure boxers
Please see
vs De la hoya
Vs Hopkins
Vs Roy Jones

I think GGG Jab would also trouble him severely.
Plus GGG chin is pure granite.

I think Hopkins Vs GGG would be a fantastic match - GGG’s jab gives any one trouble.

so I stand by that statement .
(Regardless of GGG’s weaker resume)

 

What 3 fights did Canelo fight at Middleweight before fighting Golovkin ? I know he fought Chavez and Cotto, but Cotto and Canelo both weighed in as Jr Middleweights even though it was for Middleweight belt.

Canelo didn't exactly whoop Cotto either, he won a decision in a competitive fight. And let's be real Trinidad is rated far higher than Cotto, and would beat the brakes off him in a H2H fight.

As for your last comment no it really doesn't, it's probably due to fact Trinidad was 40-0 and considered one of the best P4P fighters in the world. And had dismantled a respected Middleweight champion in William Joppy.

 

Khan?

That's your opinion.

Joppy's resume isn't exactly awe inspiring, lets be honest

 

Wasn't the Khan fight at catchweight ? It's one of them BS fights isn't it ? Like where their fighting for Middleweight title but they actually weighed 155.

I think pretty much most people on this forum, would consider Trinidad a greater fighter than Cotto. And would heavily favour him in a H2H match up.

I'm not saying Joppy was some great Middleweight, but he was 32-1 at the time and respected Middleweight champion. Trinidad dismantled him in 5 rounds, and made a strong case for himself as a genuine Middleweight threat.

 

Come on lets cut the bollocks, Tito was a blown up 147