Prime Bernard Hopkins vs Prime GGG. Who wins?

Again he is one of those boxers who is hard to judge because he has never faced & beaten a Hagler,Hearns,Hopkins who have all fought & defeated other great boxers.Everyone were saying what a great boxer Kostya was (he was a really good 140 pounder) than fought Vince Philips who stopped him in round 10.Kostya was a good 140 would he have beat a prime Chavez NO! how about a prime Pryor or Arguello NO!! When he beat Chavez-Chavez was 38 & had already fought over 100 fights.

 

I put little stock in BHop's win over Oscar, a former 130 lb fighter.
And not much more in the Tito victory...the man did nothing of note a MW.

GGG would probably stop both in the same night.

Nor is Bernard's Middleweight resume all that notable for its names, but it is for its duration and consistency.


What sets Bernard apart and makes him an ATG is the work he did AFTER moving up and AFTER he should have been too old to still be boxing. His defeats of Tarver and Pavlik were truly great wins.

Add in Winky, a very challenging opponent for anyone, Tavoris Cloud and Jean Pascal.

And Finally, less than nine months short of 50, in a unification bout, defeats WBA light heavyweight champion Beirut Shumenov, some nineteen years his junior.

One of the greatest of his generation in two deep, storied divisions.

 

Agree. People tend to forget that while Hopkins was good at mw he because really great with what he did afterwards. I think Golovkin's resume at MW > Hopkins, frankly. Hops fans tend to mix his career up in a blender and take out some idealized version that combines all his attributes in his later career with his middleweight one.

 

This.

There's nobody on Bernards MW resume that GGG wouldn't beat, including Jermain.
And Canelo (who most agree GGG beat) was better than anyone on Bernard's MW list.

But you when you factor in Bernard's post MW resume, he separates himself by a wide margin from Golovkin, who just doesn't have anywhere close to the achievements the older Bernard had.

But as a Middleweights, there's not a lot to separate them.

 

I pretty much agree with this there really isn't much separating them in terms of middleweight resume. GGG has Canelo (if you think he beat Canelo) and Jacobs as the best names on his record while Hopkins has Tito and Oscar.

The only real difference at middleweight is Hopkins longevity. Hopkins was 36 when he broke out and beat Tito when many thought at that age he was ready to be taken by Tito, while at the same age Golovkin would lose the rematch to Canelo and so his career trajectory was almost a polar opposite to Hopkins at that point until he regained 2 of his titles.

 

You act like this kind of thing happened before or something. GGG handled being robbed with class.

 

To say GGG would stop both Hopkins & Trinidad tells me you are not a true boxing fan but more a GGG fan.If you were a true boxing fan than you would know GGG ko Hopkins just not going to happen.Could he have KO Trinidad possibly but think Trinidad's would get to GGG first.Saying GGG would stop Hopkins ???? I just lost 50 I.Q points.Hopkins not only beats GGG he would have made him look bad.Hopkins also beat the big named Light heavyweights at 175 who hit a lot harder than GGG.Tarver was 6'2 & hit like a reckon ball (Just ask Jones) & he handled him fairly easily.How many times did the boxing experts have Hopkins losing & how times did he throw it back in their face by easily defeating those fighters he was suppose to lose against.You are comparing GGG a good middle weight against Hopkins a great middle weight there is a huge difference.He also beat these boxers in the light heavyweight division in his late 30's -40's.#1.Robinson 2.Hagler 3.Hopkins 4.Carlo's Monzone then there is everyone else.You need to stay home & watch all the fights in boxing from the 1930's & up for the next year don't do anything else just that then we will talk.

 

GGG never fought & defeated a top MW?? Who?Trinidad is better than any MW than GGG ever beat.

 

Look up above at the voting most do not agree with you.

 

look at voting above 68% disagree with you & majority always win.

 

To say that I said that GGG would stop both Hopkins & Trinidad tells me that you have serious reading difficulties.

Read my post again, SEVERAL TIMES, till you understand what it says.

I did not say that GGG would stop both Hopkins and Trinidad...

Here's what I actually DID say:

The first line above refers to Bhop's win over Oscar.
The second line refers o BHop's win over Tito.

The third line refers to both Oscar and Tito.

What I said was GGG would probably stop both OSCAR and TITO in the same night.

Both are welterweights and neither one of them has any serious resume at middleweight.

Neither one of them would rank in the top 50 at middleweight.



Now go back up again and read what I actually wrote about Bernard.

Let me refresh your memory:

Regarding GGG v BHop

So, to summarize the post that you clearly misunderstood:

GGG would have no trouble with either of Oscar or Tito.

Prime BHop neats GGG on points.



So, before you go of half-cocked again, try to understand what you read so ha you don' look foolish trying to refute points that were never made in the first place.



BTW, I didn't see your response o this post. Did you read it?

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/hagler-vs-ggg-skillset.701754/page-3#post-22250793

 

This is an intriguing match up, Bernard was the best at making other fighters fight HIS fight, but GGG at his prime had an elite jab, elite footwork and was brilliant at cutting the ring.

Other factors that play into this match-up would be BHops sneaky inside game that could really disrupt GGG's rythym if he failed to keep it at range.

One thing is for sure, neither are getting stopped, so this one would be all about who was able to dictate the distance - and more importantly IMO - the tempo.
If GGG was able to get his jab going and establish the tempo, then I feel it would be a long night for BHop - but conversely, if BHop was able to counter well and make GGG miss, then it could be a long fustrating night for GGG.

It's quite a hard one to call actually, and it would depend on what work you valued more - I could easily see this as SD / MD to either guy.

 

Hopkins looking to fight a big named fighter at the time for a big pay & that is why Trinidad happened.He had cleaned out the middle weight division & there was no one left.Hopkins was to big & smart for GGG & its that simple.

 

I suspect that the individual you are responding to has some sort of deficiency.