Prime Bernard Hopkins vs Prime Jake Lamotta at 160

Sweet Pea im so glad were in agreement of Lamotta

 

great footage of cerdan fight, lamotta before the injury is clearly beating the **** out of him and floors him with a left hook late as can be seen

 

I've grown up and come around to a lot of the fighters we used to disagree on. Marciano is another I find myself defending more often than not these days.

 

As did Lamotta's - SRR ex LW/WW, Holman WIlliams ex LW, Cerdan ex WW

Hopkins picks Lamotta to pieces, 100times better defence, outboxes him, outspeeds him, out times him, not to mention greater reach/height, compact punching, landing flush shots time and again, while Lamotta is rendered completely ineffective as he misses and gets countered.

I don't see the case for Lamotta at all here, Hopkins is a class above him and there is no stylistic advantage for Lamotta. I think Lamotta's pressure and speed of attack wins him a few rounds but thats not a certainty when he's up against it stylistically. Lloyd Marshall said Lamotta couldn't beat the best black dynamite fighters, Hopkins had similar skills

 

Same with me Sweet Pea. You defintley opened up my eyes to certain fighters like Luis Rodriguez and Pernell Whitaker, and lots of others. Ike Williams is still my favorite lightweight though, tehe lol

 

Just because Lloyd Marshall said it doesnt mean anything. I mean Lamotta did beat Holman Williams and Bert Lytell and Sugar Ray Robinson who is better than all of black dynamite. Lloyd Marshall beat lamotta no worse than he beat charles and burley.

 

By a modern ref? You really think a modern ref wouldn't have stoppaged a slaughter the caliber of the St Valentines Day Massacre earlier?

If Hopkin's managed half of that caliber of beating a modern ref would more then likely stop it.

 

Hopkins by close dec for me. Hopkins has the strength and ability to fight with him on the inside,but he would find the going very tough there. I like Hopkins to stay outside, and make LaMotta pursue...and he would relentlessly. I don't think Hopkins discourages LaMotta at all, but he lands the cleaner blows, taking a UD, in a good fight.

 

It did seem Marshall didn't regard Lamotta as 1 of the better fighters he'd faced. Williams was old too and Lytell was very green, Williams was also undersized starting at LW himself. A 144lb Robinson would not have come out top against the MW Black Dynamite crew