prime bowe vs prime quarry.....

Quarry would be game, but in the end i think he's outgunned by the bigger and stronger Bowe. He would land plenty, but so would Bowe, and i think he has the longer breath... perhaps not dissimilar to Bowe vs Holyfield, or Quarry vs Frazier.

 

A very liberal view and one that gives Quarry his rightful respect. At the end of the day however, I think you and I can both agree that this is a mismatch. Quarry might be competitive for 3 rounds or so, but I don't think he lasts much longer than maybe 5 or 6.

 

Bowe would meet the shorter and quicker punching Quarry on the inside. Jerry was trigger fisted, and actually outfought a peak Frazier on the inside for two torrid rounds. Quarry would not sustain the same facial damage from Bowe's head, shoulders and elbows through incidental contact. The height differential would be simply too great. Big Daddy wasn't the relentless force Frazier was. Jerry's bodywork would be outstanding against this huge target.

Would Bowe be too big and strong for Jerry? Mac Foster, Ron Lyle, Earnie Shavers and Buster Mathis certainly weren't. Bowe would need to stay the hell away from Quarry, keeping him at arm's length. Would he? I don't think so.

I wouldn't put money on the outcome, but my guess is that it would be Quarry/Lyle all over again.

 

I wouldn't right off Quarry so easily in a prime for prime match against Riddick Bowe. As far as I'm concerned, Bowe could be in for a serious hurting if Quarry connects with his good short left hook.

On paper and by virtue of the success of their careers, the logical choice is Bowe by mid to late round KO.

 

Quarry is an enigma....Frazier, and Ali really beat him up....against Norton he was old and didn't train well.

Losses against Ellis & Chuvalo earlier in his career.

But that run agianst Foster, Lyle, Shavers & Mathis can't be overlooked.

Big Daddy will be hit that is certain.....if he can take Quarry's early assault, then Riddick wins late.....but if he can't, Quarry TKO's him in 7 rds.

 

prime v prime - Bowe. Too big, skilled and tough

 

Actually, he outfought Frazier for only one round: the first, which is also one of the greatest rounds of the 70's that i've seen.

But the thing is, Frazier made him fight a fight that he didn't want to fight, and basically destroyed him because of it. The second and third went to Frazier, the fourth became brutal, and from the 5th on, Quarry was done.

As for Foster, Lyle, Shavers and Mathis not being too strong for Jerry. None of those guys were 6'5 238lbs in great shape like Bowe; in fact, of those, none stood taller than 6'3". What's more, they were limited one-punch knockout artists (Shavers/Foster) who never amounted to much, and two good fighters (Lyle/Mathis) who were strong but not THAT powerful.

Bowe (and Quarry, for that matter) is on a whole different level in just about every aspect of the game, compared to those with the exception of one punch power in the case of Shavers and Foster.


As for "Big daddy wasn't the relentless force that Frazier was" - he certainly threw more punches per round than Frazier and despite his size, rarely went about jabbing, unless he had to. Bowe is much more a pressure fighter than a power puncher, which is why he knocked down Holyfield where Lewis couldn't, but also why Golota thrashed him where Lewis destroyed Golota in one.

Quarry is a fan favorite and has an impressive amount of good wins, but i agree that he is outgunned here in just about every way. There is a small possibility that Quarry has success early with a slick/counter punch approach (as Holyfield did for a few rounds, and Tubbs for their entire fight), but i'm convinced that even then, he'll turn it into a war rather quick.

One thing that concerns me about Quarry as well, is the mental side. In his biggest fights against Ali and Frazier, he didn't just lose, but he was outclassed and won less than a handful of rounds in 4 fights against those men. He looked mentally beaten in all of them, several rounds before he actually was. In the 1970 documentary "Ali and D'amato duke it out", you can see footage of Ali and Quarry in the dressroom before their first fight. Ali looked calm and as confident as he always did... not just talking the part, but also looking it. Quarry, on the other hand, looked extremely tense and very stressed.

In addition to that, he also fell short in the Ellis fight, another big one that was for the heavyweight title.

I wonder how much of a factor this mental side would be, because Bowe is very discouraging to fight in a way similar to Frazier: he can be hit, but he keeps coming, throws very heavy handed shots and many of them.

 

These are all good points and I concur with them completely.

Quarry did not have the physical tools to bang with Bowe for 12 rounds the way that Holyfield did. What's more, I agree with you about his track record against the very elite. Jerry did incredibly well against the second tier opposition of the 70's such as Shavers, Lyle, Foster, Mathis, etc. But when matched with Ali, Frazier, Norton, he failed heavily. While I do not consider Riddick Bowe to be in Ali's class, he was certianly a level above Norton, Lyle, Shavers, and most of the others. Bowe was a boxer puncher who was fairly complete in most aspects of the game and had ample size and power. Defense was his only deficiency, but I don't think Quarry would hang around long enough to make use of it....

 

Riddick Bowe was a pretty good fighter. I think Bowe wins in about 4 rounds. What ruined Bowe was Evander and the fact that Bowe didn't seem to have a great work ethic, similar to many heavyweights of the 1980's, although he was from the 1990's. He would have fit right in with Tubbs and Witherspoon.

 

I liked Jerry Quarry and usually enjoyed his fights! And that first round against Frazier certainly brought me to my feet! I knew Quarry couldn't keep up THAT pace, though, and Joe started wearing him down shortly thereafter.

Prime against prime, I think he would do well against Bowe early, but over 12 rounds? I would have to go with Riddick by decision or late stoppage.

 

I think the mind would have a lot to do with it...I saw Quarry fight the Big Slow Punchers...Mac Foster,Ron Lyle,Shavers,Spencer,Alexander and take there best shot and keep coming, even get off the floor from a murderous shot from Joe Alexander but I also seen him earlier in his career vs Ellis and Patterson and had trouble in fights he should have won ( back injury)...when he fought Ali he was beaten before the bell rang and with Frazier he fought the wrong fight....Still was Bowe better than all of those Heavy's? Bowe was not just a plodder, he could box a bit and had good power. Bowes worst fault is that he got hit a lot. I see him having a advantage over Quarry from the outside but Quarry could be a threat with his left hook to the body and head and his powerfull right hand. Bowe was a big dude but Quarry liked a fight who came to him and Bowe could be hit. If I look at the E H. fights I would lean towards Bowe but this would not be an easy fight for him if Quarry had the proper mental frame

 

Bowe by KO in 2 or 3 rounds at most.

 

I really cant for the life of me understand why Quarry seems to be rated so highly by so many people. I am definitely missing something. Quarry is not in the same class as Riddick Bowe and i cannot see any way that he would beat him.

 

Bowe would kill Quarry in a time machine........ Not even a close fight.... This slaughter ends early..... Bowe of 1992 KO's Quarry of '69 / '70..........

MR.BILL