Prime Calzaghe VS Prime Roy Jones, Who Wins?

At 168 Jones could match Calzage's workrate but land with more power and more accuratly. jones by UD maybe even a stoppage.

 

yeah coz, as history has since taught us, beating James Toney and Bernard Hopkins isn't all that impressive.

Your talking through your arse. Hopkins went unbeaten for 10 years or so after Jones, and I dont think he lost either of those fights to Jermain Taylor in all honesty. James Toney, well I'm sorry but if Sam Peter couldn't knock out Toney I doubt Calzaghe or Jones could. Jones possibly. Jones probably could've KO's Toney and Hopkins. Remember what Jones was like when he was fired up? The Montell Griffin rematch? c'mon when did Calzaghe ever do that.

Calzaghe does not have the adaptability of Hopkins. He's very versatile, but he's not on Hopkins level. He doesn't have the speed and countering ability of Toney either. James Toney is one of the very best "in the pocket" counter-punchers I've ever seen, he's up there with Willie Pep for christs sake, and if Mikkel Kessler can rock Joe with counters then you know James Toney could've.

 

Yessir :good

 

Yeah, but like another poster said, a defensive fighter like Toney loses 9/10 times against a guy like Jones that could lead with an outside uppercut/hook God's sake.

Come on, let's be reasonable here.

The only way to beat prime Jones is with pressure and intelligence and even then it's doubtful that anyone in history could do it, but I would give a Prime Calzaghe the best chance out of anyone.

 

Oh hush.

Jones without his roids would have got murdered.

 

He didn't need Roids at 168.

That would have slowed him down.

 

It's always been a Jones win at 168, the Kessler fight doesn't change that or anything, other than a showcase for Calzaghe's premium boxing ability and fighting intellect.

Jones = Runner and exploder, complete with a lead right and the best timing I've ever seen = Calzaghe always at bay.

 

calzaghe is a very awkward southpaw, and to say he has not got the adaptability of hopkins? did you now watch the fight on the weekend if he would have kept going straight at kessler like between round 2-5 then we may be looking at a different SMW world champion, he changed his style and dominated, at 168lb jones was phenomenal , but he was hyped up in america if calzaghe was american he would be hailed as a god. i honestly think that calzaghe was a more skilled fighter and in quickfire combos calzaghe lands more punches accurately in a shorter period of time, this is a pressure fighter it may be unconventional but this is still what he can be when he changes his style, we saw on sat that calzaghe has a very good chin many fighters would have gone down after 3 powerful uppercuts in round 4 but he showed his heart and provailed, jones jr obviously had freakish power at this weight but i still think that calzaghe would beat toney jones jr and hopkins in their prime, this may b a bold statement but i have seen him train and he is truly a living legend!!

 

I love James Toney, he's one of my favorite fighters ever.

But his speed isn't anywhere close to Calzaghe's.

Here's something to think about: Joe just convincingly beat (I'll refrain from using 'whipped') a first-rate badass -- who is in his prime -- this past weekend. And Joe's 35! I think we all remember what was happening to RJJ when he was 35...

I repsect RJJ, even if I think his frail chin was exposed later in his career. That said, the Joe we saw easily handle Kessler is YEARS from his prime. Remember that.

And he's a southpaw...and he has unbelievable work rate...and...

I wish Joe and Roy would have fought. That would have been a great fight.

 

yeah I saw the fight at the weekend, and i saw Calzaghe getting hurt badly by right-hand counters, make an adjustment, then go on to win the fight. The point is that Joe isn't the only fighter in the history of boxing ever to do that. Hopkins has made a career doing that against better fighters than Mikkel Kessler. Infact I dont think Hopkins would've taken 4 rounds to adapt, he wouldn't have had to wait until he's was getting beaten to change. Hopkins' adaptability has kept him in the P4P top 5 at the age of 42, something that Calzaghe hasn't even come close to achieving.

I can understand people who say he'd beat James Toney. I reckon Calzaghe could too, but Calzaghe looked vulnerable to right-hand counter-punches and there's no-one better at that game than James Toney. I can even tolerate people saying he's beat a prime Hopkins, because Hopkins' genius and tactical acumen can't take away the fact that he's not active or aggressive as Joe. but Jones Jnr? C'mon man, Roy Jones Jnr was way faster, way too unorthodox, way too powerful and just considerably better than Joe full stop. Joe wins no more than two rounds against Roy Jones Jnr, and thats only if Roy is taking it easy on him. If he comes to fight like he did against Montell Griffin then y'know what, Jones takes him out within 6.

"if he was hype up as an american, he'd be hailed as god" well sir, Calzaghe has been hyped up in Wales and every sheep-shagger I know thinks he's god. Just a matter of where your born.

 

If Jones Jr. comes to fight like he did against Griffin the first time, or against someone like a Telesco or a Del Valle (can't remember which one put him on his butt), Joe not only would have beat him but might have stopped him, a la Byron Mitchell.

You can't forget that glass jaw of Roy's. And someone with Joe's speed would have sought out and found that Chinaware.

 

Glass jaw? Dude if Calzaghes gets into a shootout with Roy Jones Jnr there's only one winner ie the one with superior power, handspeed, timing, accuracy and fighting instinct.

Its funny how this Glass Jaw thing only came up once Roy was in his old age. Were talking PRIME Roy Jones here, that Roy Jones who doesn't even hit, not the 37 year old one Glen Johnson knocked out.

 

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..and add the factor of thr fighting being in American (most likely in the heat of the nevada desert-not the cold hills of wales and quite frankly there is only one winner).

 

Sorry 'dude,' I have to disagree with you on that one.

Joe reacts like a warrior when hit. Roy goes down like a ton of bricks. If he got into a shootout with Joe, he would get stopped, like Joe did to Mitchell. I have no doubt in my mind about that.

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I respect Roy Jones, Jr. and his talent. But he's not Joe Calzaghe.

I said Roy would take 5/10, but that's if Roy stayed on his bike and boxed Joe. If he tried to get in and trade with someone as fast as Joe, it's "nighty-nite" for the glass-jawed Jones. He simply does not have the beard to go to war, especially with a guy of Joe's will and abilities. No shot.

Joe is at his best when someone tries to take him out and presses him. If Jones did that, he would have added yet another KO loss to his record. No chin.

As I said, the Joe who easily decisioned the machine that is Mikkel Kessler is 35 years old, and not in his prime. A prime version is even faster, better and tougher.

Jones is more talented, naturally. But Joe is a superior fighter, with a superior chin and will. IF Jones boxed, he might have won. If he didn't...

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...you would likely have seen something like that.

 

i cant believe this is actually being discussed. jones murders him at any weight. esapecially at a prime 168.