PRIME CARNERA V PRIME BRUNO?

I think that was for Witherspoon Mac.

 

That isn't what you wrote initially. But, your clarification seems only to have provided you opportunity to suggest another absurdity.

If you really think King Levinsky and Witherspoon are on a par then I could pretty much rest a case for you being 'impaired', on that alone.

Another janitor side-step motion.

The whole thread is based on a fantasy fight, which is not going to happen in the real world. That's the point I was making, as you well know.

You've made an assumption about what "world level" means, across eras.

You have now introduced a further assumption that Witherspoon should be compared to Levinsky.

Witherspoon would have beaten Carnera easily and there is sufficient evidence, both on paper and on film, of Witherspoon's ability to do this. It is, therefore, a valid assumption.

What you really mean is: 'What the film shows you'.

You don't know much about the history then.

No. You can't help being selective about the evidence you want to be either strong and in your favor or weak when it works against your point of view.

My case doesn't hang on this alone, though, does it? One of the good things about a forum is that multiple members can put their own evidence-based cases. There's no need for me to repeat the evidence other posters have raised in this thread.

What I stated at the beginning was that a prediction for a Bruno win over Carnera was not all that bold; not if one doesn't particularly rate Carnera's punch power or throw terms around like "world level", as though it represents an immutable constant, throughout boxing history.

I stand by that statement.

 

Who did Bruno beat? Well past it guys like Coetzee and Bugner. Glass chinned bums like Williams. A hometown decision vs a crack addict.

 

So what do you think is Carnera's best win...

- the 201lb Jack Sharkey?
- the 202.5lb Paulino Uzcudun?
- the 186lb Tommy Loughran?

Or your personal favorite - the 201lb Walter Neusel?

 

Would he lose to Jim Maloney, Young Stribling?

 

Sharkey obviously.

 

I wonder what McCall, during his 93-95 run, which was ended by Bruno, would have done to Carnera or any of his opposition...

 

Coetzee had lost one fight in the previous 5 years ,to Greg Page.

 

He got kod by a very good puncher, which Carnera emphatically was not! Bruno would land his right on Carnera and that would be that.Carnera defended against 2 non punchers as soon as he faced a real one, it was game over!

 

No I am not suggesting that they were on a par.

I happen to rate Witherspoon quite highly.

I am suggesting that a win other this version of Witherspoon, would have been the equivalent of beating a highly ranked contender like Levinsky in Carnera's era, as oposed to beating the curent champion i.e. Sharkey.

No, I have declined to asume the superiority of one era over another.

Crucial difference.

It is not a valid assumption because you can’t even predict the outcomes of fights that take place today.

If you could then you wouldn’t need to work for a living.

OK so what can we agree upon?

Presumably you accept that Witherspoon was well above his best weight for that fight.

Presumably you also accept that he would go on to lose to Smith in a shocking upset.

These two factors alone must surely sew some doubt in your mind about Witherspoons condition?

 

Would he have fought them given that there wasnt a title shot in it?