Prime Chuck Liddell vs current top 10 LHWs

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  1. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wanderlei always had a problem with straight shooters throughout his career. I always thought Liddell would beat him H2H, it's just a bad style matchup for him.
     
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  2. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    I respect your opinion, as it is valid. Wanderlei is one of the best ever at 205. I would root for him against Chuck.

    I disagree with your "one bomb" theory.

    Wanderlei use to rush in with wide shots, almost like he was fighting a heavy bag that can't hit back. It was savage, and great to watch. It's also the reason I never cared to see him in a rematch with TRT Vitor, as I think it would've ended the same way their first fight did.

    Wanderlei would bring it against Chuck, just like he brought it against everyone. Liddell's one-two wasn't exactly down the middle, but it was short enough to land/thwart/intercept many of Wanderlei's berserker rages. I don't think it would be one punch that does Wandy in. I think it would eventually be one too many punches.
     
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  3. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Was it not a winging punch that dropped Liddell in Jackson II? Yeah their real fight after Wanderlei had his prime beaten out of him by Hunt, Cro Cop and Hendo.
     
  4. lufcrazy

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    I'd love to believe that Chuck beats Wandy prime for prime. He's probably my favourite none grappler to watch, closely followed by CroCop.

    I just think the way Wandy fought with such ferocity and speed and aggression he clearly lost a step by the time of the chuck fight and his biggest weapons were taken away from him.

    Chuck loved fighters who came at him but Wandy loved going at fighters.

    I think Chuck would be under a kind of pressure he never dealt with before.
     
  5. lufcrazy

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    See I'd be rooting for Chuck.

    As for the Belfort rematch, I strongly believe Belfort caught lightning in a bottle much as he did against Rockhold. Don't get me wrong, that's what Belfort did he started strong and fast and that's his game plan so full credit for the victory. I just think 9/10 times Wandy is able to weather the storm and stop him late on.
     
  6. lufcrazy

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    For me Wandy was like prime Tyson, a straight up killer who wanted to hurt you, not just win the fight.

    When someone who's athletically gifted has that ferocity styles don't always come into it as they should.

    Wandy beats Rua for me as well, but that's based on their alleged encounter as well as the above.

    The only LHW I'd favour over Wandy is Jones and that's because he's a physical freak who's incredibly well rounded.

    From Hendo to Hendo there's not a lot of people I pick to beat Wandy. The aggression, the power, the speed, the will to win, the stamina, he was just a beast.

    His only real weakness was to dedicated power wrestlers, Arona and Tito proved that. Now I think he'd have splattered Tito in 01, but Arona twice gave him all he could handle, so I've no doubt Cormier would as well, whether he'd get the decision against DC is hard to say.
     
  7. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm in agreement that Wanderlei wasn't the same fighter he was in his prime when he fought Chuck for reasons you alluded to but the same can be said for Liddell. Chuck's hand and footspeed had diminished quite a bit by the time of the Silva fight. Since he rarely ever moved his head to evade strikes, his main defense was his legs and ability to gauge striking distance of his opponent. As he got older he became more stationary and was easier to time and hit cleanly. This is in part why I believe his punch resistance started to decline so rapidly. Just compare his movement and handspeed of say the Vitor Belfort fight or Ortiz 1 to the Silva fight and it's night and day of a difference. You also have to take into consideration that Chuck was many years older than Silva as he came into the sport at a relatively old age.
     
  8. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That was a perfectly timed counter hook in response to Chuck dropping his parry arm to throw a body punch. That's something that was simply never in the Silva arsenal. Rampage had upped his boxing skills working with trainer Juanito Ibarra who he later sacked after the Griffin fight (a huge mistake imo).

    Nobody is arguing Wanderlei was prime for their fight, he obviously wasn't but neither was Chuck. Circumstances like a brutal knockout loss, physical decline, age and partying/drug use made him a diminished force by the time of that fight and it's reflected in the fact that he couldn't manage to beat anybody in fights before and after the Silva fight.
     
  9. UnleashtheFURY

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    The difference is Wanderlei had his prime beaten out of him by Heavyweights, Chuck his beaten out of him by Jackson. Liddell was also thrown in with top opponents for the most part - Rua, Evans and then Franklin(whom he was beating the **** out of before getting stopped) Wanderlei was more done than Liddell - not denying that Chuck wasn't past it as well, but it's still to ignore the fact that Wanderlei was coming off getting the **** beaten out of him by Hendo and TOP heavyweights. That's significantly worse than the bad run Chuck had suffered.
     
  10. BEATDOWNZ

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    Randy spanked him in his prime.
     
  11. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Yeah 1 out of 3.
     
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    Both were past prime and because Liddell had a stylistic advantage, taking the athleticism of prime athletes out of the equation meant he had quite a clear victory in an amazing fight.
     
  13. The Akbar One

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    After DC took Liddell down, he would start to work ground and pound, and smother Chuck in that big flabby belly.
     
  14. BEATDOWNZ

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    Still spanked him.

    Ok, Randy lost the final two (he had serious outside issues in the 2nd fight, and chased Liddell for some reason around the cage).

    But even when Chuck was in his prime he lost to better strikers (QJ, Rashad, Shogun etc).
     
  15. lufcrazy

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    Can only assume you're trolling here.