Prime De La Hoya vs Floyd Mayweather @140?

You are a good guy Loudon but for me this topic is not about Floyd it’s more about the overrating of Oscar.

 

You’re living in a fantasy.

Only you and Pimp thinks that it was a very comfortable win.

 

I am a big big Tito fan. He is my guy I miss his career even until today say way I miss Azumah Nelson, Don Curry and Marvelous Marvin. Nothing happened to Oscar he lost. People including the commentators sometimes see what they want to see instead of what is unfolding before their eyes.

 

What excuses?

It’s a fact that a faded version of Oscar troubled him. So it’s not illogical to think that Floyd would also have been troubled by a peak version of him.

 

I simply said Floyd will never fight at 157 pounds so it’s a BS question.

 

Floyd won the fight fair and square. The last 3 rounds is when he pulled clear.

You’re so defensive of Floyd.

So defensive, that you have to pretend that something difficult for him was a walk in the park.

 

So you'd rather admit that Floyd would only fight B-Hop when he was drained and ripe for the taking, than even conceive that Floyd would lose?

Utter delusion.

 

Better all around??? Based on what?? Pbf always loses polls like this but in reality always wins his fights the same cant be said for oscar he lost alot of big fights and he lost to pbf when they fought. There's nothing to suggest oscar is the better all around fighter pbf is light years more complete and less flawed. Pbf is more skilled that's not up for debate.
Speed pbf
Defense pbf
Power oscar
Chin even
Stamina pbf
Ring iq pbf
Footwork pbf
Offense pbf
Reflexes pbf
Mental toughness pbf
Size oscar
Counter punching pbf
Accuracy pbf
Punch variety pbf
Workrate oscar

 

How can we debate you when you type out this nonsense?

Floyd would never have fought a guy like Bernard. Never. You’re deluding yourself if you think otherwise. And I’m not specifically saying Bernard, I’m saying a guy who would have been the equivalent.

Floyd beating Shane means nothing. The version of Shane who Floyd fought didn’t even resemble the versions who Oscar had fought.

You’re living in a fantasy world.

In the real world, Floyd struggled with Castillo and a faded version of Oscar. So there’s no guarantees he’d have beaten prime versions of Oscar, Shane and Tito.

Again, fighting Hopkins, is just something that Floyd wouldn’t even have entertained. We know that for a fact. He wouldn’t even fight Canelo without the C-W etc. So the thought of him fighting an ATG after he’d maxed out weight wise, is just absolutely inconceivable.

 

It's quite clear that pbf not fighting in his prime weight class would do better as well and he still beat oscar remember that. Oscar has a lot of ground to make up he's not good enough and you're high if you think any version if oscar is outboxing a prime pbf. There's only 2 boxers in history who I would say would outbox pbf 147 and down hearns and srr. Guys like pea whitaker and srl are debatable oscar isn't in that class sorry.

 

People with agendas and don't know boxing had oscar winning stop.

 

I don't think so. Pbf was a beast at 140

 

Pathetic how?

How can they be excuses?

You said you were familiar with Oscar’s career?

Okay:


Did he not look awful against Forbes?

Did he not look gaunt at the weigh-in?

Did his former trainer not make those comments?

Did he not only rehydrate by 2 pounds?

Did he not normally rehydrate by up to 14 pounds?

Had he not fought at that weight in 9 years?

Did he not agree with his former trainer after the fight?

Did he not retire and then never fight again afterwards?


Where are the excuses?

 

I am being objective that Oscar is overrated. There is a difference between being good, being very very good and being great. Oscar is not great because he has some key deficiencies.

I can only judge based on what I observe he lost to Trinidad and I said as much as I watched the fight. There were lots of Oscar fans with me but to be fair to a man they all shook my hands to congratulate me when Tito won the verdict which if memory serves me right was not a split decision so the Professional judges saw the fight the way I did. The narrative that Oscar won is bull**** he and his camp know he lost. Yes it was a close fight and running in the last 4 rounds not 3 prove my point about ring IQ. These were the champion rounds in a close fight up for grabs Tito pressed the action Oscar stopped competition growing and ran because he was afraid of Tito’s power.

I really don’t care what version of Mosley he fought. He miscalculated thinking he could bully Mosley the lightweight world champion who kept nailing him all night. However good Mosley is he does not have the same fundamental skills set of Mayweather. Those of us in the know, knew Mosley would beat Oscar and he did.

I don’t need to repeat Floyd beat Oscar and would always beat him and it was not close though one of the judges obviously had to much to drink but that is what sometimes happens with A side and Vegas.

Oscar was probably stupid to move up and fight Hopkins after Sturm had his number but then again as I have already said intelligence is not one of Oscar’s strong points. Not sure it reflects Badly on Hopkins he was chasing the money. He beat Unbeaten prime Diego Corrales and he was not even favourite actually destroyed him, defeated Prime Castillo then the best Lightweight in the world and numerous others all at their best. It’s not Floyd’s fault he made great fighters like Canelo look ordinary. He beat everyone that was put in front including 23 world champions.

 

I know exactly how old they are.

You don’t.

You got Oscar’s age wrong earlier.

Yes, Floyd may have been favoured. But it’s completely illogical to think that he’d have beaten Oscar with ease and knocked him out, when a faded version of Oscar caused him a lot of trouble.