Prime De La Hoya vs Manny Pacquiao (Hatton Version) @ 140?

Arum wouldnt let cotto within 2 times zones of pbf back then when he was with top rank. Cotto set ring side for pbf-gatti and he looked in awe when he saw the demolition job pbf put on him. You saw as soon as cotto left Arum the pbf fight was made.

 

ODLH has one punch KO power. ODLH has power to KO big Jr. MWs like granite chin Mayorga.

Pacquiao does not have the one punch KO power to stop ODLH.

ODLH has one of the best chins in boxing history. All his KDs with the exception of two were flash KDs. One of the two was from a Hopkins, a huge MW, and the other from Quartey, and even then he wasn't wobbled, just stunned. In fact no fighter has ever even come close to KO a prime DLH.

Pacquiao has a susceptible chin and has been stopped multiple times, and wobbled multiple times.

ODLH has superior defense as well that consists of some of the best parrying in boxing, and excellent textbook footwork.

Pacquiao's defense is relied on his footwork too, but is very sloppy.

Oscar De La Hoya would land his signature lefthook on Pacquiao. no doubt, and when he does its lights out. I can see Pacquiao getting KO like Leija or Paez against De La Hoya.

 

I love Mayorga, but citing someone who's defense consisted of, "Hit me, brah!" as evidence of ODLH's one-hit power (especially when it took him EIGHT ROUNDS to get Mayorga out of there) is a shakey example at best.

Don't know anyone suggesting that and they'd be wrong if they did. Pacquiao does have the power to hurt Oscar though, and that's all that is needed to get the eventual stoppage.

Agreed, outright putting Oscar to sleep is a shaky prospect at best. Pac's best bet for a stoppage would be what happened in their actual fight; the corner (or ref) throwing in the towel.

I have heard many criticisms of Manny Pacquiao - some valid, some weird - but this has to be the most downright nonsensical criticism ever. 'Pacquiao has a susceptible chin'? Yeah maybe; in bizarro world.

Some of the most brilliant boxing minds in the world, from Manny Stewart to JMM have said that Pacquiao's footwork is brilliant. WTF are you talking about it is sloppy?

Pacquiao has never been susceptible to left hooks in his entire career. Ever.

 

You're too easy man.

Not what I said.

I'm citing it because ODLH has the power and accuracy to do to Mayorga what no one had ever done to him. De la hoya shattered Mayorga's until then, unbreakable chin. In all of Mayorga's fights he had never gotten hurt to the chin as much as he was against Mayorga and he was in with true power punchers like Forrest, Trinidad, Vargas, and Mosley who did KO Mayorga but that was a very depleted way past his prime Mayorga and it was after 12 even rounds.

Wrong!

Absolutely not. ODLH was a punching bag in his fight with Pacquiao. Oscar came into the ring lighter than Pacquiao... Think about that. And even then Pacquiao was not able to as much as wobble, let alone KD ODLH. No way, no how Pacquiao hurts a prime De La Hoya who would more than likely be weighing close to 160 on fight night. Remember, very important to note Pacquiao at 148 lbs on fight night was heavier than De La Hoya.

Can't see it..

Oscar just quit against Pac, and it was due to his inability to fight. A prime, fast, powerful, strong De La Hoya is not getting stopped by anyone.. let alone Pacquiao who's top weight is under 150.

You're kidding??! lol

So you're just going to pretend he hasn't gotten KTFO three times and wobbled on multiple occasions? Really? LOL

Hmmm..

He's definitely gifted with speed an movement, no denying that, but his footwork is sloppy, in fact, its his footwork that caused him to get KTFO... But it's part of his offense, he uses his feet to throw all his momentum into his straight left, the reason its so effective.

WRONG again!

Pacquiao has been KTFO by a left hook before... so...., and was nearly KO in the third round of the Oscar Larios fight by a left hook... Had that been the other Oscar, it would have been lights out.

Here's an example.. 20 minute mark

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Ladies say that all the time.

Ah, yes. Something no one had done to him. Except for Humberto Aranda. And Felix Trinidad. And Shane Mosley. And Cotto. Really the only power punchers who didn't rock him were Forrest and a shot Vargas. Seriously do you even look at people's records before you post things?

Correct, actually. No one has ever been hit by Pacquiao and not hurt by him. Not Mayweather, not Morales, not Marquez, no one. So I'm sorry that I don't put any faith in 'No way he hurts de la Hoya' at your assistance because...well based on very little, actually. Citing the same tired 'de la Hoya was weight drained' excuse.

I can see it. I also said that it wasn't super likely, just more of a possibility than you are willing to give it credit for.

Twice while weight-drained himself (something you were just using as an excuse for ODLH's performance against Pac - you can't have it both ways) and once with a KO shot from a great counter-puncher who needed four fights to find the right timing and for Pac himself to slow down. As for times he gets wobbled...so? People with offensive styles get wobbled, get dropped. Rocky Marciano got dropped, are you going to suggest HE had a susceptible chin? That's absolute lunacy.

There's no 'Hmmm' here. The greatest boxing minds have said that it is brilliant. You saying 'It's sloppy' because it trades defense for offense, counting on unorthodox movement to keep him safe doesn't make it true. It's a strategic choice, and one that has paid off, well, brilliantly.

Right again. Never, not once, has he been knocked out with a left hook. Per IB:

It just hasn't happened, and you saying 'lol yes it did' doesn't make it so. Neither does posting a link to an Oscar Larios fight where that left hook did LITERALLY NOTHING.

 

It’s a tough question for me.

Pac had great movement, but the version of Oscar he fought was finished.

Would Manny have had the same confidence against a prime version of Oscar who’d have been much faster, sharper and a lot more aggressive?

People will make comparisons to Pea where Oscar struggled, but technically, Pea was on another level to Manny.

I think I’d have to go with Oscar here.

 

Oscar was done though.

That fight doesn’t tell me much.

It was like RJJ vs Calzaghe.

 

No.

You just want to envisage that scenario because of your dislike for Oscar.

 

There’s no way a prime version of Oscar was tailor made for Manny.

 

Good post. But Manny couldn’t comprehensively defeat JMM in 4 fights.

He couldn’t knock him out.

He couldn’t knock MAB out.

Yes, they all have different styles, but Oscar was extremely skilled and much bigger.

It seems odd to me that a few people would confidently have picked Manny to have knocked out Oscar at the weight.

I can’t see it at all.

Smaller, lesser fighters weren’t knocked out.

Oscar has only been knocked out once by an ATG MW.

 

It’s laughable to think Oscar De La Hoya a straight up and down boxer with no special effects can beat a peak Pacquiao a multi-dimensional unorthodox dervish of a fighter. What exactly is the a Golden Girl going to use to beat Pacquiao? Pacquiao will keep nailing him all night long before putting his lights out. It would be like Mosley vs De La Hoya all over again but worse as Pacquiao’s feet and hands are Even faster than Mosley coupled with being a southpaw. Boy this would be a horrible beat down.

 

So? JMM is one of the best ever - certainly, at the weights he competed in. And for all the 'Manny never comprehensively beat him' people act like there was no argument at all for Manny to win any of those highly competitive, back and forth fights. And, as you said, different styles.

Funny. I seem to remember him doing just that in the 11th round of their first fight. 'TKO by corner stoppage' is just an experienced corner beating the referee to the punch.

Oscar was certainly bigger, but so was Margarito. And he may have been more skilled then Barerra, but no way on God's green earth was he more skilled than Marquez. No way no how.

I CAN see it, if only because Manny just hits that hard, moves that fast, and is that awkward in the ring. If I had to put money down on it? Probably go to a decision that was initially competitive in the beginning but the class told over time.

 

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Great post.