(prime)DEMPSEY-FITZ-JEFFRIES

I think Dempsey beats them all. Jeffries would be a tough nut to crack, but I'd pick Dempsey by late stoppage.

 

Jeffries beat Fitz
Jeffries would beat Dempsey
Fitz would beat Dempsey

 

Depends on the length of the bouts but over 15 I'd pick Dempsey

 

Jefferies beats Fitz and Dempsey.
Fitz beats Dempsey.
Dempsey beats no-one.
Marciano beats Fitz and Dempsey but loses to Jefferies.

 

Over 15 rds I think Dempsey catches Fitz and kos him ,he was faster afoot and had a better variety of short punches. Fitz would allways be dangerous ,but his rather static style compares unfavourably with the crouching ,bobbing and weaving Jack's,imo. Jeffries won a lot of fight's by imperviously soaking up punishment ,and then coming on strong to overpower his ,smaller opponents.I don't see Dempsey stopping the Boilermaker ,but I think he takes a decision,due to an early lead on the cards .If the face of Jeffries isn't too badly marked up he probably comes stronger at the finish,with Dempsey starting to fade ,but with enough rounds in the bank to take the win.A tko for Dempsey is possible under 20's rules but it probably goes the route.Imo.

 

Jeffries did beat Fitz.

Jeffries-Dempsey would be a war. It could go either way, but I will go in for a decision win for Jack over 15 rounds.

Dempsey vs Fitz would be another war. Here, I am more comfortable with a Dempsey win.

Rocky? Would beat Fitz. Maybe Dempsey too. Probably would lose to Jeffries. Too big and strong.

 

I agree with all this.

 

I'd favor Dempsey over Jeffries in 15 rounds or less, but no sure thing; over 15 rounds, I couldn't pick.

I'll favor Dempsey over Fitzsimmons but, again, it's no lock.

 

Jeffries beats Fitz, Dempey
Dempsey beats, Fitz

 

Fitz loses to both Dempsey and Jeffries but as for Dempsey vs. Jeffries? Put a gun to my head and I'll pick Dempsey but I'm still not sure. Too tough to call IMO. I'm gonna have to think this one over more.

 

Call me crazy, but I think Marciano beats all 3 of em.

As for the other bouts,

Dempsey vs Fitz, Fitz would be a danger, but I think Dempsey's speed, and power will end things fast perhaps. I think ko in round 5 or less.

Dempsey vs Jeff, Well here is the burner, I think Jeff beats Dempsey in a 25 or more fight, but in a 15 type of fight, I give Dempsey the edge. Mostly depends on the era of couse.

 

Obviously there are a lot of variables to take into acount here.

Fitzsimmons while being the man that I rank lowest head to head of the three is also the one that you could least aford to make mistakes against. As a finisher he was far more dangerous than Jeffries and perhaps more dangerous than Dempsey in terms of a exploiting single opening. While Jeffries was probably too durable for Fitz to capitalize on his "finishers chance" as I call it Dempsey wasnt. If Dempsey got caught coming in he could be in trouble. I therfore conclude that Fitz almost certainly wont beat Jeffries (even under ideal circumstances) but he is a dangerous match for Dempsey, who is going to be coming in if Fitz catches him.

Jeffries while being the least effective finisher of the three (all relative of course) is the strongest of the three, with the best stamina and durability. He is perhaps the fastest 220lb man in the history of the sport and has catlike reflexes believe it or not.

A prime Jeffries is not the green version that twice got battered by Fitzsimmons, it is the complete and methodical fighter that dismantled Jim Corbett (second time) and Jack Munroe. This Jeffries is not just durable, he is also a good boxer and ring general. Against this version of Jeffries it is hard to imagine any version of Fitzsimmons winning. Jack Dempsey would have a verry good chance of battering Jeffries into submision because of his devastating early assult, which the human body was simply not designed to withstand. Jeffries will be there to be hit (sort of) but like with Fitzsimmons Dempsey will put himself at risk of being caught coming in. If the fight goes past six rounds then the odds rapidly start to turn in Jeffries favour.

Dempsey is the best all round fighter of the three on paper and if I had to put money down I would pick him over both of them. I would also be concious that both were a considerable risk to him for reasons that I have already outlined. In some ways I would have more worries about him taking on Fitzsimmons than Jeffries because Fitzsimmons was more dangerous if he caught you coming in.

I think that Dempseys rapid assult would probably not permit Fitzsimmons to utilize his methodical reactive style. Simply put Dempsey would get in there too quickly. I also think that Jeffries would probably be too near to harms way, and would have to take too much punishment to get the job done, even with his underrated ring smarts. Having made that prediction I dont think that a fight that went past 10 rounds would be favourable to Dempseys interests against either fighter.

 

Everyone has their favourites J, and J J Jeffries is certainly one of yours,but how do you explain the vast improvement you see in Jeffries skills from his second fight with a nearly 39 year old Fitz ,[who by the way hadn't fought in 2 years],given that between this fight and his win over a near 37 year old Corbett ,[who also hadn't fought in nearly 3 years].Jeffries didnt fight at all?
One minute he is green in his next fight he is a complete methodical fighter? the fastest big man over 220 lbs? Ali ,many times scaled over that .Was Jeffries faster than Ali? Actually Jeffries NEVER scaled over 220 lbs for a title defence, his heaviest was 220 against Corbett and 219 against the pitiful Monroe.Of the quick heavier Champs, Holmes and Tyson scaled around Jeffries weight check it out ,was Jeffries faster than them? If you think so how ? Since you only have him being used as a punch bag by Johnson to go on .

 

A few things to correct here.

- Fitz likely loaded his gloves in the 2nd fight.
-Jeffries was at least 240 for the Finnegan title fight.
-Corbett was 33, sharp and in shape for the 1st Jeffries match.
-Ali had some fat on him at 220, Jeffries did not

Opinion: Jeffries skill level got better as champion, and really blossomed toward the tail end of his career.

I think Jeffries beat Fitz ( We know this ), and likely Dempsey too. Dempsey himself did not think he had much of a chance vs Jeffries.

Fitz vs Dempsey is very interesting. Dempsey was a hot and cold type of fighter, but if he's focused and ready, I would pick Demspey to defeat Fitz in a very good match where both people might go down.