Prime Dempsey Vs Trevor Berbick, Can Dempsey Do It in 2?

If Berbick got Dempsey along the ropes like Firpo did, Dempsey would still be trying to find his way back into the ring.

 

I seriously doubt Berbick punched (or pushed) as hard as Firpo.
Firpo had poor technique but he did put a hefty dose of body weight behind his blows.
Berbick windmilled with arm punches, often not even landing with the knuckle part of the glove.
A very strong man but not much of a puncher.

 

Berbick could crank and turnover that right a bit. Firpo makes Berbick look like Joe Louis in regards to punching technique.

I would lay a hefty sum on this fight in Berbick's favor.

 

Berbick had nowhere near the power of Firpo. Trevor fought a stupid fight with Tyson, and paid the price.

 

And completeley exonerated from , just as he was cleared of slacking charges , both in a court of law.:good

 

How would you know Berbick was stronger than Firpo?:huh

 

Lamotta admiited to it ,Berbick was convicted of it.

What exactly has that to do with their respective boxing abilities?:huh

 

Not as low as accusing a dead man from the safety and anonymity of the internet, a man who cannot defend himself,and furthermore , accusing him of a crime he was formally cleared of in a US court of law.
That is lower than a snake's belly.

 

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Wow, how's the view from the lofty heights of your soapbox? Next time you are climbing those stairs, try checking your facts on the way up. The overwhelming evidence is that Dempsey was, in fact, a pimp, married to prostitute, with some more vague and sinister charges of breaking in young prostitutes that seem less well-founded.

 

Yeah, I think he lived off the earnings of his prostitute wife for a while.
He was a whorehouse bouncer too.
There's nothing particularly bad about either of those things, imo.
In the context of the environment.

 

You might like to verify your facts before tearing into print with them.

Dempsey was married to a part time prostitute/piano player Maxine Cates, in 1916, he was 21 ,she was 36,they lived together for less than a year and were formally divorced in 1919 .

There is absolutely zero evidence that he ever pimped her or any other woman for money or, that he ever profited financially from prostitution in any way.

Dempsey was formally cleared of living off the proceeds of prostitution , in a US court, he was also formally cleared of dodging the draft again in a US court. The transcripts of both these hearings were published in The Ring magazine.

You are a muck raking , libellous , arsehole, who types total unfounded bull**** to amuse himself.

On the odd occasion your posts are mildly amusing , but more often they leave a nasty taste in the mouth because they are in effect ,nothing but a vehicle for you to propagate slander and libel about dead men whose reputations you can feel safe defaming from the cowardly anonymnity of your keyboard.


Speaking out against such excrement isn't getting on a soap -box, it's the natural reaction of some one who recoils from your loathsome modus operandi.

In short Mr Seamus, as a person,you stink.

 

I didn't realise this (bold part).
I thought his only trial related to the draft.

 

I'm glad you get such visceral feelings from posters on the internet. You might want to seek some time away from this virtual playground to remember where importance lies, or lacking that, merely block my posts. If it helps you, I am going on an extended trek and will be completely out of touch for some time.

Otherwise, it might also behoove you to get your facts straight. The three charges Dempsey faced were 1) Direct evasion of the selective draft, 2) false statements in Dempsey's draft questionnaire as to his dependents, and 3) false statements to the district Draft Board. Nothing about prostitution. There was a further joint indictment against Dempsey and Kearns for conspiracy to evade the draft. Again, nothing about prostitution.

Maxine only entered the trial as the accuser, a bitter aging ***** who wanted her cents. However, she could not make be witness against him were they legally married which was still of some confusion as their marriage took place under Utah law... if forget the exact nature of the problem. Just to say, it mattered whether they had been legally married or not.

 

You've been completely out of touch since you joined us.


Maxine Cates did give a statement in court against Dempsey , in it she averred she always paid her own way .
Dempsey disputed this, saying that he always supported her.

The court found in Dempsey's favour.

This meant that the other accusation [living off immoral earnings ]automatically fell by the wayside, as Dempsey's contention that he supported her was upheld.

Dempsey was cleared of draft evasion on the second day of the hearing as he was recognized as the sole support of his Mother.
Dempsey's court hearing was in 1920 he was divorced from Cates in 1919, so they were no longer married ,and therefore she could be brought as a hostile witness against him.

Cates used the opportunity to state that Dempsey went into the tank in his first fight with Jim Flynn, because," he was paid more to lose than to win".

I actually think its important not to defame a dead man's character without a shred of evidence to support the allegations.

I guess we have different values.

The difference being I have some, and you have none.


Be sure and take a dictionary with you on your trek, so you can memorize some more archaic adjectives to impress us with your erudition when you unfortunately come back.