Prime Dereck Chisora vs Prime Bert Cooper

Why would I even bother you clearly based on all your responses to me lately have a bug up your arse and am looking to argue for the sake or arguing you. We can debate semantics at it will get us nowhere, we may have differing views on what a journeyman and gatekeeper are and no amount of debate will change that.

I may not respond because I'm not looking to have pointless arguments with someone who is looking for an argument not an actual debate where both sides can learn something. Like when you criticised Chisora in the boxers you like that others don't like. You we're basically proving my point, it wasn't even worth debating because you we're basically agreeing with opinion he's disliked and me liking him has nothing to do with whether he's any good or not.

As to why I didn't respond to the Hearn thread, your post was laced with sarcasm just like this one. And even if you were actually being sincere and you for some reason know nothing about Whyte's efforts to get a shot at the WBC title it's not my place to educate you, especially with a topic that can be so easily googled.

 

True which is why he isn't really a contender just a gate keeper or at least what I define as a gate keeper. Not good enough to beat real contenders but good enough to beat the pretenders and journeymen. Good enough to get an eliminator like when he fought Parker but never good enough to get a shot at the title himself.

 

There's simply no need to be like that, especially having just received a compliment. No wonder you're such a fan of Chisora.

It's lose lose with you. If I disagree with you, and provide a rationale for doing so, it's "bug up your arse" and "looking for an argument". That seems odd, considering i haven't resorted to ad-hominem attacks and stayed on the subject. That leads me to believe that you either cannot articulate your thoughts or your opinions are nothing but mainstream sports media spin or even better, hollow echoes of individual propaganda merchants like Hearn. "Which can easily be Googled" confirms to me what I had already suspected - and what I have already touched upon in the aforementioned sentence.

If I compliment you, which in retrospect seems to have been erroneous, it's "laced with sarcasm." Ha!

I think you're the type of person that just wants his whiskers stroked and likes to roam familiar grounds. I'll let you keep on with Aydamn aka MarkusFlorez.

I asked, reasonably, for your definitions of gate keeper and journeyman. There is no consensus definition for either, so your response has to be respected either way. It's hard to have a discussion with someone who will use these arbitrary terms (on a regular basis) and will not (for some odd reason) disclose their definitions. The reason we have reached this point in this exchange is because our definitions clearly differ, and on an ad hoc basis, to ask is nothing more than the natural progression.

 

Why is the default position of nearly all your posts 'smug arrogance'? You've got to be able to back that kind of attitude up and you can't. Nearly all of your comments I've stumbled across in recent days follow the same pattern: declaring someone else stupid (or the forum in general), assuming a position of 'expertise', expressing all this in badly-manicured, try-hard and mangled English with the apparent goal of pumping up your own tyres.

You clearly think you're smarter than the average poster but seem insecure in this position; you only have to keep pumping up a tyre if it's constantly deflating.

Maybe you do have a decent IQ but your emotional intelligence registers at snake belly level. 'Agreeability' is not your strong suit.

But mainly, you just come across as an unpleasant, insecure ****...

 

Assessing Chisora's prime is hard, though. There's a huge gap between his physical prime and his boxing prime. For argument's sake, maybe his physical prime was around the time he fought Haye, or a year or two before. But his boxing prime (dedication to training, size, power, strength and ring skills etc) is much closer to now than then.

Chisora circa 2018-2020 ish I'd favour over Cooper but Del Boy in his physical prime was a little too inconsistent to back in this fight. I'd edge towards Cooper...

 

True he could be horribly inconsistent at times and the last few years is where he's been most consistent.

Also as I have mentioned before Chisora facing someone like Cooper could very see an unmotivated Chisora showing up and under performing. I don't think there's that much separating them but overall I think both at their best or both at the worst Chisora has the slight edge. But if Chisora is at his worst which if I'm honest is more than likely and Cooper at his best then yeah I could see Cooper coming out on top.

 

I don’t think half the votes should go to cooper based on his punching power. Chisora may lose all his higher level fights but he’s definitely looked better a lot than cooper against elite competition

 

Bert coooer hits so much harder then chisosora !!! Bert cooper tko 9 over chisora

 

I'm glad that I've triggered you so much that you have literally had to resort to farfetched fable. Incredibly cringeworthy, but that's certainly nothing new coming from yourself. Confirmation of an inferiority complex. I'm not sure if it's because you're uneducated, broke, ugly, short or fat. If we're being honest, it's most likely a combination of these undesirable traits - clearly things are not okay at home, and for that I wish you well, but grumbling on a boxing forum won't solve your predicament.

 

Thanks for adding all the evidence I thought I would extract from you when I wrote my post. You've just confirmed everything I said to be true. And you walked right into that trap...