Nice, I see you've managed to find those other two brain cells. Next week we might let you move up from rubber pencils and crayons.
Still the same fighter regardless.... and that version of DLH beats Floyd. Floyd above 140 is just not as great as many think.
Floyd takes this fight even at 147 prime for prime The defense and counter punching would have given Dlh trouble at any weight prime or not.
i think for most people, the lack of activity and counter punching from floyd is an issue. defense is incredible but his counter punching is reduced to one or two shots above 140. that's not gonna cut it
Exactly. It's not that DLH is a better fighter (he's not), just better @ 147. Floyd became too economical with his punches when he moved to 147.
Still say Money May was given a gift decision that night. I had that fight a draw but could have easily went to DLH. Again -- that was a prime Mayweather against a past- his-prime DLH. A prime DLH was a lot faster and threw many more punches. May would have lostto many rounds to as Jordodz put it "lack of activity and counter punching". Nuff said.
Look at how Whitaker and Quartey were able to stifle his offense. Granted, two very different fighters, especially a natural welter in Quartey with an all time jab, but they did things Floyd could duplicate (feints, counters, head movement). If Oscar had ever been effective as a pressure fighter, I'd say you are right, but he always was a boxer puncher, even in his prime. In a boxing match at 147, because neither one would initiate a brawl, Floyd's defense and better movement around the ring get the job done. It would be ugly and "boring", but he'd get the nod. Unless the blind mouse who scored the Quartey fight for him 116-112 got involved, but that's beyond the point.
Hmmm, good post. I don't think a pressure fighter will do it though. DLHs combinations would be much harder to dodge at 147 than 154 and the size and power difference between the two would be evident. DLH would land maybe 3/10 shots but those shots would count. Floyd's movement is good but not great at 147 so I don't see that being a factor. I'd say 60-40 in oscar's favour. BTW: 116-112 is ****ing insane. I had a 1 point win for oscar the first time i watched it. I still think that's fair
Yeah, Floyd is way more flat footed and wary of power shots at 147. If he looked too scared to throw, I can see judges giving close rounds to Oscar, especially if he started flurrying. Bottom line, it would have been an interesting chess match, and they'd both have their moments. I downloaded Quartey - DLH the other day and rescored it 115-112 Quartey. I mean, he virtually shut Oscar down for LONG stretches of the middle rounds. The sixth was a classic, and honestly, I think more than a few refs today would have stopped it in the 12th. Great fight, horrible deciding card. I don't agree with Oscar by a point, but it's justifiable. :good
cheers! it's good to hear a little flexibility on the forum. I can easily see a quartey win from, just as you said, the middle rounds. the problem with so many of oscar's pre-trinidad fights is the scores were SO wide (ie: whitaker) that people didn't take them seriously. it looked like people scored ahead of time cause he was "the golden boy". quartey deserved better, especially for the performance of a lifetime