Prime Edwin Valero vs prime Ricky Hatton?

In their respective primes they were a super featherweight and a light welterweight.

Valero capped off at lightweight in his late twenties. Hatton never weighed in under the lightweight limit (or below 139) in his entire career.


How about prime Sugar Ray Leonard vs. prime Dariusz Michalzewski? :nut

 

Hatton all day, every day.

 

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no ****ing way EV would have khtfo believe

 

If Valero jumped up to 140 when Hatton was there he would have been smashed.

 

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If he somehow got him to boil down, maybe. There is no evidence Valero would've had substantial pop at 140 & up. There was already a marked drop when he moved up to 135.

 

Hatton and its not even close.

 

The deranged Valero mythicizing continues... :-(

 

Believe that Valero had never fought at LWW. Believe that Valero had never been in a bout with someone as big or as physical as Hatton. Believe that Valero had not taken a body shot off someone like Hatton. Believe that Valero's power had not been tested at LWW. Believe that Valero's chin had not been tested at LWW. Believe.

 

Hatton was a proven elite, albeit somewhat limited and with a few stylistic bugaboos.

Valero never fought an elite in the pros. Not one. Don't give me Tony DeMarco going on to later hold a belt; I love Tony DeMarco, but he was a borderline paper champ. Certainly not a strong titlist. Nowhere even close to elite.

In truth Valero's best opponent was Mosquera, and Mosquera got off the canvas early to drop Valero and give him an additional several rounds of hell in a total war of attrition. I also like Mosquera, but can't in conscionable faith say he was/is anything more than B-grade. Sub-elite, and Valero struggled mightily. Prime Ricky Hatton is much bigger (if shorter), more physically robust, and a better fighter than Mosquera and DeMarco. His swarming, bulldozing style combined with those attributes would have been completely foreign to Valero and would've completely thrown him from his element. The power he displayed at 135 isn't going to be enough to slow Hatton down. The speed and boxing ability he exhibited isn't going to remove him from harm's way. Hatton mows him down, no doubt about it.

 

valero was sparring lww all day **** he battered delya hoya thats fact wicky could not with stand pacs power valero hit way harder than pac imo even in a sniffing contest valero still wins

 

i do believe that the pope as his **** up your anus, hatton did not even prove him self to be the best in britain you see him stutturing face to face with witter all tounge tied belive that :yep

 

He was alright. He is hailed as a boxer-puncher with supposedly immense power. It's hard to gauge, because he was in fact savagely one-hitting a lot of guys at super feather, but the level of competition was mostly low. The best was Vicente Mosquera (which, as described above, was equally brutal for both, which many conveniently forget or in Boxrec warrior fashion never even knew) followed by a handful of so-so guys who peaked at regional/domestic level. (Honmo and Shimada from Japan; Zavaleta, Trazancos and Lozada from Mexico; and Garcia from Panama like Mosquera. Garcia might actually be his 2nd best victim after Mosquera...decent boxer but very chinny. Valero destroyed him quickly to punctuate an historic run of 18 consecutive KO1s since turning pro, something people made a big deal of at the time even though everyone but Garcia was a scrub...the other seventeen were nobodies...)

Then he moved up to lightweight and knocked out 39-year-old mediocre slugger Antonio Pitalua on HBO PPV for a vacant title and that was that. The bandwagon was in full motion.

He made a defense at home in Venezuela, beating up a journeyman. Then he returned to HBO and schooled the gritty, determined, and heavy-handed - but overall quite average - Tony DeMarco, who still had some of the shine from upsetting fading star Kid Diamond a year earlier.


That's it. That is all it took for Valero to become a mythicized ATG.


The storied power that looked so nice on paper at 130? Yeah, it didn't quite seem to hold up in his brief LW campaign.


Against grandpa Pitalua he enjoyed a great speed and mobility advantage, essentially just overwhelming him. Velasquez had several knockout losses yet Valero let him stick around for a long time in what should've been a quick showcase for his Venezuelan fans. DeMarco - who, admittedly, is a tough ******* - got shelled with counters and flurries for 9 rounds but never went down and quit on his stool. The story of the night was more the gulf in hand & foot speed and ability to land while moving than Valero's power.


I fail to see evidence that his power carried the same way a Manny Pacquiao's did. To me eyes it dropped off visibly from 130 to 135 - and logically that pattern would, you'd think, continue with a progression up to 140.


He was very fast, with moderate boxing skill, and had at least above-average super featherweight power which became closer to average (by world class standards) at lightweight. That's it. Anything else you hear is pure legend, not fact.

That Tszyu >>>>> any Valero.

 

Sparring is sparring. Pity the murderer didn't show much more in an actual competitive contest. Seen as we are dealing with facts.

Hatton was a LWW who regularly weighed in much higher than the weight.
Hatton won a World title at 147lbs also.
Hatton's resume pisses all over Valero's, and again, his resume consists of boxers at much higher weight classes than Valero, who were heavier handed and physically stronger.

Valero not once fought at LWW.
That's all you need to know about Valero.

When these type of contests come about with boxers of different weight classes, you have to deal with facts, not sparring stories. I'm guessing you believe Golovkin hits as hard as a Heavyweight due to the stories?

Special boxers can be favoured in comparison bouts containing boxers of different weight classes. Valero did not show that he was special. He showed that he was a coward who will forever be hyped up due to his KO%.