Prime Evander vs Klitchko

This isnt top trumps or pokemon, I think you're ignoring styles completely here in favour of a higher ranking ATG

 

Holyfield, whips both fairly easy.

 

In that case Holyfield would beat Larry Holmes, and it would be as simple as that

 

I just don't get your point at all.

Holyfield's landed consistently against much better fighters than Wlad Klitschko. Even at 37 he was forcing the fight with a prime Lewis. Let alone when he was at his best.

You need to take into account that it's not actually that hard to keep guys like Sultan Ibrahimovic away from you

 

I'm not at all.

I'm comparing how Holyfield performed against much more difficult opponents than both brothers.

How you can watch him against a prime Lewis, and not think he could deal with Vitali Klitschko is beyond me.

I rank a peak Vitali a number of spots below the 38 year old Lewis he faced

 

Thank you.

I don't know. Perhaps not. Ibrahimovic surely wouldn't.

He pushed him all the way (while losing nearly every round) because Iggy was no hard-hitter.

what is this i dont even

Be so kind and show me the paragraph were I discredit Holyfield. H2H and legecy-wise he is an ATG HW but Holy has proven to be not invincible and that was against a very specific kind of fighter: superheavyweights.

I don't really get the point of your statement here (how is it connected to the topic?) but I can explain it to you quite easily: the Klitschkos are even more cautious than LL was in his prime and thus fights take longer without being a bit more competitive than Lewis' first or second round knockouts against credible opposition. Usually the Klits lead on the scorecards without having lost a single round before stopping the opponent.
I gotta agree that it is cool to watch Lewis get rid of Golota, Grant or Botha early in the fight.
So I guess you're trying to prove that LL was a dimension better than either Klit and that Holy hang out with him quite well but counting the 1st round KOs of him will not prove anything (Ali - Frazier - Foreman, you remember?). LL was great and I was cautious enough to say that the Klitschkos are not significantly below his level implying that they're worse but still pretty damn good. That's a fair statement.

 

Im surprised at the amount of people picking either of the klitschkos by ko.Thers no way either of them kos Holyfield.Id pick Holyfield to beat both of them,Wlad by ko and Vitali by decision

 

That's not the argument at all.

Much of the claims about the Klitschko's dominance are based on their ability to beat guys who the likes of Lennox Lewis routinely destroyed in a couple of rounds. The types of opponents who were considered jokes in the 1990s.

Watch Vitali against an Old old Lewis, hanging on for dear life in round 5 and 6, and then watch Holyfield at 37 master a prime Lewis, and tell me how Evander isn't at least a few levels higher even at 37 years of age.

The way Evander controlled Lewis in their first fight, even at 37, tells me that he's not going to lose a fight to either brother.

Lewis is faster, heavier, has more skill, and hits harder than both brothers

 

Prime Evander will land combinations on both brothers. Therefore, Wlad has no chance because he cannot take punishment.

Vitali has a chance because he is a proven warrior.

 

WHAT? Evander controlled Lewis in their first fight Second fight you mean? Even then, I would hardly say that he controlled Lewis. He made it a close-ish fight though.

That version of Lewis would have TKOed Wlad in 2 rounds, and stopped Vitali on cuts within 5.

 

My basic argument is pretty simple.

A lot of the claims about both brothers are based on their abilities to beat guys of a Shannon Briggs level without incident.

The only reason Shannon Briggs was still getting title shots 12 years after Lewis basically retired him, is the fact that the division is so plain awful.

The fact that at 37 he was still more than competitive against the level of guys Klitschko's have made a name beating up, tells you everything.

There's no point comparing styles, when much of the stuff on the brothers K is based on their ability to look good against guys like Ibrahimovic.

Just watch the last 2 rounds of the Lewis/Vitali fight, when a prime Vitali took on a shot 38 year old Lewis. Watch Vitali barely making it back to his own corner in round 5. Watch him hanging on for dear life in round 6 - barely throwing a shot. Grabbing lewis any time he tried to hit him.

Then watch how easily a 37 year old Holyfield dealt with a peak Lewis.

 

EXACTLY! There is no way Wlad could keep a Prime Evander Holyfield away from him. 37 year old Holyfield landed on Prime Lewis. What would 29 year old Holyfield do to Wlad?

 

First Lewis/Holyfield fight was a complete pick em. Could have gone either way. Both fights were close-ish in fact.

The Lewis Vitali fight, Lewis was gassed by round 4, about 30 pounds overweight, and still had more in the tank than the Russian!

Watching Wlad stagger back to his corner (walking the wrong way for about 4 steps) at the end of round 5 told me everything about that fight.

Vitali's good as long as he doesn't take much punishment.

 

Klitshcko. Easy.

 

A 38-39 year old Holyfield versus both brothers is a close fight.

A 38 year Lewis versus both Brothers is Lewis in both.