prime ezzard charles vs prime sonny liston?

However, an active fighter at his peak or on the ascent are given the benefit of being rated in part on potential without the detriment of a decline (eg Anthony Joshua).

 

Tough pick here because of styles, Sonny was the bigger guy but much slower. Marty Marshall beat a young Sonny and he weighed 179lbs, Leotis beat an old Sonny. Charles fought men bigger than Sonny and won although he did lose that decision to Nino, However Charles beat the men that beat Nino (4 in a row) and Nino refused a rematch. When I look at Sonny vs Floyd it looks like Sonny could roll past Ezzard but then look that Floyd was dropped in almost every fight.

Charles could take a punch, Marciano stopped him but with a brutal assault and after 15 rounds in fight 1 that may have depleted him. Charles could get on the inside and outside (much like Leotis did) Liston had the reach but Ezz would be fighting in the pocket & moving (If you look at his KO over the hard hitting Satterfield (who stopped Big Cat in 3) you will see him survive Big power shots and come back for an electrifying KO win.

Hard to say but I would not underestimate Ezzard, my quick pick says Liston but neither man fought the quality fighter in prime (other than Ali & Marciano) that they would be facing in each other prime vs prime.

 

Ezzard Charles was not though of in his own time as a good heavyweight champion. He was considered boring, not many fans showed up to watch him fight. The Charles Beshore fight had the lowest attandence ever.

No boxing experts rated Charles over Liston at heavyweight

The only people who overrate Charles today are the hardcore Marciano fanatics who romanticize marcianos victories over him. The truth is Marciano fought a physically declining Charles of 1954, who while still a very good boxer, was far past his prime. The Charles of 1946-1948 has a good shot to beat Marciano or at least take 1 in a trilogy.

No version of Charles beats Liston. Charles was an offensive minded fighter, loved to brawl. He didn’t stick move and jab which is what you needed to do vs Liston. Charles would get knocked out every time vs Liston. Walcott has a much better shot against Liston due to styles

 

This post is an embarrassment to the legacy of Ezzard Charles. It’s clear by now you don’t actually know anything about Charles, and just pump up the 1950s Charles to try to make your hero rocky Marciano look better.

I’ll say it again, I’ve spoken with experts, historians, a close friend of Charles, and have read Charles book..(which you haven’t)

Charles was at his very best at 170-175lb from 1946-1948..

Why?

1. He was both physically and mentally at his peak ages 25-27

2. Charles himself said he came out of the war more mature, mentally tougher, bigger and better in 1946 compared to 1943.

3. He recorded his career best wins. He weighed in 171-174 for his three victories over a prime archie Moore during this period.

4. Charles said he felt best at 170-175 compared to the 180s where he felt slower.

5. Charles best weight was light heavyweight, not heavyweight

 

Let me tell you Charles didn't feature at all!

 

Nope. Charles was thought of as a very poor heavyweight champion during his time. He was considered very boring. He gained a lot of respect for standing toe to toe with Marciano for 15 rounds, but by that point he was far past his prime and his career over.


Liston took a lot of flack for the ali losses, but prior to them the boxing experts considered Liston one of the best of all time. He had the mike Tyson aura going.

Liston was much more thought of than Charles

 

This could not even be up for dispute.

 

Everybody knew Charles was boring...but he won....no shock if he beats slow liston

 

You do realize if you weigh in at 170- 175lb you are a light heavyweight not a heavyweight

 

Slow my ass.

 

Charles is better than Machen, but could he get Liston into rounds 13-15???


1960-09-07 : Sonny Liston 211 lbs beat Eddie Machen 196 lbs by UD in round 12 of 12

• Location: Sicks' Stadium, Seattle, Washington, USA
• Referee: Whitey Domstad 119-112
• Judge: Ely Caston 118-114
• Judge: Sam Heller 118-116

• Unofficial AP scorecard: 118-115 Liston
• Unofficial UPI scorecard: 115-113 Liston

In 12-Rounder Liston Is Decision Victor Over Machen
United Press International, September 8, 1960

SEATTLE (UPl) — Sonny Liston, who scored a unanimous decision over Eddie Machen in a 12-round nationally televised match here Wednesday night, today continued his cry for a title match with heavyweight champion Floyd Patterson. Machen, who weighed 196, was interested only in a re-match with Liston. "Liston is a good fighter," Machen said, "but he won't knock down any walls. I don't like to alibi, but I hurt my shoulder six days ago in training and couldn't use my right too well. I want very much to fight him again when I have two hands." Liston, the number one contender for the crown, was equally unimpressed with second-rated Eddie. "All Machen wanted to do was go 12 rounds," he said. "He didn't want to fight. I had a bad night." Liston, who at 211 had a 15-pound weight advantage over Machen, went on to say that Patterson "wouldn't last that long with me. He would get in there and fight and I'd get him out." The bout itself was a dandy, with Liston, the plodding aggressor and Machen playing the part of the darting thief, stealing the show occasionally with sizzling left hooks and jabs. There was no doubt about the decision, however. Judges Ely Caston and Sam Haller favored Liston 118-114 and 118-116, respectively. Referee Whitey Domstad scored it 119-112 for the winner and UPI agreed 115-113. The victory for Liston, who was penalized twice for low blows was his 31st in 32 professional fights. For Machen, the loss was his third in 38 trips to the post.

• The UPI report stated Liston was penalized twice for low blows, but the AP report stated he was penalized only once (in the 11th).

 

Liston fought a prime Patterson who was just as good as a prime Charles

Liston also never lost in his prime to fighters like Walcott 2x Johnson Layne ray and Valdes. Liston goes 6-0 against these men

 

Liston is a lot better than Ray Layne Valdes and H johnson. All men who beat Charles!