Prime Fedor Vs Prime Couture

You....a few moments ago

"When Fedor was in Affliction the UFC was NOT courting Fedor. This only occured after Affliction folded. So im not entirely sure what your blabbering on about or even the relavence of the topic you're bringing up which has zero bearing on the case in point."

A few minutes later

"Compare that with the contract the UFC were offering him after PRIDE's demise and the maths is quite simple. They only upped their offer after Affliction folded. Fedor is/was far better off outside of the UFC financially."

What was that about lying and changing the topic?

 

There, that's were you implied Fedor didn't accept the term because of the money.

FYI 2005(Crop cop VS Fedor) mofo. And since Silvia and Arvlosky arn't in the UFC anymore they arn't legit competition. And prolly Coleman isn't good competition either since he is and old juicer ?

Please tell us what is legitimate competition since you seem so knowledgeable on the subject ?

 

And that would be right. By 2009 the UFC had changed their offer to allow him to compete in sambo. The talks that broke down on Sambo were in 2007.

And I would like to see Fedor in the UFC, fighting in the biggest organisation against the best fighters. I have all the respect in the world for what he did in Pride but that was no five years ago and its absurd that people think that makes him the greatest today. Nobody can doubt that Fedor in the first half of the noughties was the greatest heavyweight of all time but since then he hasn't put himself in the position when he could add to his legacy by fighting the very best. 2007 was a judgement call - the sambo issue was a genuine one and with rumblings about Affliction and DSE there seemed a chance that a rival promotion to the UFC could be formed. Not going with them in 2009 is inexplicable - what type of fighter competes for less money, less exposure against lesser competition?

 

You say less money, but you don't seems to understand what was Fedor problem with the UFC contract. Fedor own 20% of M-1, wich is alot more then any kind of contract the UFC would have offered to Fedor.

I'm gonna explain it to you really slowly :

The UFC is working like a business, they think they are allowed all the right. If the UFC think you didn't fought well enough, they can cut your purse by 50% and if you are the UFC champion, you are bound by contract to defend your title until you lose but if you lose, they can cut you without any warning.

Who would sign that kind of contract ? (people with no name into the sport, pretty much like almost every fighter in the UFC)

And you don't seem to understand who is Fedor...he doesn't care about the money, the only thing he cares about is his family. M-1 contract is alot better for him then any ****in UFC contract...I would love to see Fedor fight the guy in the UFC, but I don't want to see him in the UFC.

Dana White need to grow a brain and start co-promoting with Sengoku, Dream and the other compagny, but he won't do it, cause he is afraid of the competition !

 

Why does he need to compete with those companies? Those companies are losing money and will probably end up going out of business - Dream may not even last the year. Why justify their existence by putting on joint shows, when the UFC can sign the best fighters and have them all fight under the UFC banner? And how exactly is that worse for the sport? MMA is growing in the markets where the UFC is the leading organization, with only Japan struggling after DSE's old backers (ahem) managed to keep Zuffa off TV.

The UFC is the biggest MMA promotion on the planet, putting on the biggest events and earning the most money. I do not see how it is possible for M-1 to pay Fedor more money. Indeed that's quite obvious when you consider that Fedor never fights on the many M-1 Selection shows, with M-1 instead always finding a 'partner' to go to the expense of actually putting on the show and paying Fedor. The UFC offered him a contract in 2009 that could've earned Fedor $5million for a title fight against Lesnar (depending on how it did on PPV), no way is any company able to match that.

In any case the deal offered in 2009 allowed Fedor to stay with M-1, for M-1 to act as his management and for M-1 to sponsor Fedor for his fights in the UFC. Whatever M-1 can give him above what he earns from the promotion hosting the fight, he could have still got from the UFC.

Almost every major fighter in recent MMA history has signed the same contract that you believe is an affront to Fedor's dignity. And I would love to know where you're getting this "cut fight purse in 50% if don't fight like they want" because I damn well sure have never heard of that. And the champion's clause does exist but the UFC is never going to risk having to enforce it because it probably won't standup in court. That's why they always work to ensure their champion's contracts are renewed way before the end of the original contract.

 

LOL, ask Fabricio Werdum why he is no longer in the UFC and you will get your answer !

So you think the UFC actually have all the best fighter ??? :rofl:rofl
That why we can see such a diversity of skill from all the UFC fighter...

And you don't seems to understand that except Strikeforce and if you don't have HDnet, you can't actually check out any other MMA organisation outside of the UFC in america(I'm not sure about Bellator though). And since the average american is so educated on the matter...no wonder UFC is #1

Me I'd love to see the source for that maybe 5 million for 1 fight. And if Fedor won(cause we all know Fedor would crushed Lesnar like a bug), will it be 5 million again for the next fight ? And 5 million the next afterwards ? And if the UFC is sooo succesful why don't they pay there figther better ? 5 million for Fedor but 40k for Carwin, way to go !

The last contract didn't allowed M-1 to be in the picture, at least, I've just checked the term 5 minute ago and they still havn't agreed about M-1 being in the picture.

The champion close exist for real and Dana White is such a ***** I wouldn't be suprise to see him suing someone in the futur with it !

 

See I thought it was because he bitched about the organisation's decisions, then turned up overweight and got demolished by Junior Dos Santos.

All, no. Most, yes. And that would be the consensus if you were to look at all major media outlets P4P lists...and indeed their rankings for the five core weight classes. And I don't get your argument about the lack of diversity in the UFC - the five champions all fight in very different ways and there's plenty of variety of fighting styles.

No I actually understand that and its consequences better than you. Why should the UFC co-promote with organisations that can't even effectively promote themselves? And given that EliteXC and IFL both had great television deals and flopped, I think American fight fans have made an informed decision about the quality of competiting products. FYI Bellator is on Fox Sports Net and NBC (very early sun. morning).

Most media outlets were reporting it at the time, including the likes of Meltzer over at Yahoo Sports. And the number was reliant on ppv buys, so the question would be whether Fedor could draw over a certain level. I find it laughable that you think Fedor would be able to squash Lesnar like a bug when he couldn't do that to a circuit fighter like Brett Rogers. And as has been made clear on numerous occassions, the official fight purses are simply the fighter's contracted payment. They recieved extracontractal bonuses that increase the amount they get paid. This is common knowledge as reported by all media outlets and confirmed when the UFC made public the details of Couture's paydays against Sylvia and Gonzaga.

The last offer allowed Fedor to still be associated with M-1. M-1 could act as his manager and Fedor could be sponsored by M-1 even when fighting in the UFC. This would mean M-1 logos and branding appearing on the broadcast. The only thing that the UFC rejected is the idea that they should 'co-promote' with M-1 which is quite right - what on earth does M-1 offer to justify equal billing with the UFC? To agree to that would create the same situation in boxing...where all the top fighters have their own pretend promotional company, suck all the money to them and theri friends, and the undercards are ****.

I never said it wasn't real, I said I don't think it would stand up in court and that the UFC is well aware of this danager. Because of that the UFC has and will always move to ensure that its fighter's are under long term contracts with plenty of matches left on them.

And I fail to understand your hatred of Dana White. For all his flaws and mistakes, he has led a revival in American MMA and is now working to expand the sport globally. He has had a positive impact on the sport, and god knows what would have happened if the UFC hadn't have been so strong when Pride imploded.

 

Nop, it's because Dana White wanted to cut Werdum pay for the rest of his contract and Werdum didn't agree, so he fired him.

I wasn't talking about P4P rating, I meant that's why in the UFC we don't see much different style. Almost no japanese fighter, almost no russian, mostly dominated by wrestler etc...I'm not saying there arn't any Japanese or Russian, I'm just saying there isn't much diversity.

I wasn't talking about co promotion, I was talking about the lack of coverage of the different MMA organisation by the media in general. Thx for the info about Bellator, I saw FSN but I wasn't sure if it was Fox. And you've just confirmed what I was saying, except SF and Bellator, oustide having HDnet there is no possible way to check out the different M-1 Global event, no sengoku, no dream. I can't prove this I know it, but what make you think that the UFC doesn't try to minimize the attention other organisation could have ?

I don't understnad all that obession with the Roger fight. go watch it back and put glasses on ! Except landing a jab that reopened a wound of Fedor nose, and being on the top for 25 sec Roger didn't do **** !
And I find it laughable that you think Couture may have had a chance, even in the cage. Lesnar is nothing more then a bulldozer

I'd love to see those bonus number, cause I really wonder how the champion in WEC can pay for everything(trainer, gym, etc.) with only 25k for a championship fight. I really hope it's enough for the fighter to be able to train full time...

I don't think so.
http://www.5thround.com/43804/team-fedor-emelianenko-lays-out-new-ufc-contract-demands/
with all the fuzz around Tapout not signing with Fedor you really believe that Dana White agreed for that kind of thing ? LOLLL !!

Dana White is a ****ing lying ****, nothing more, nothing less.

I never said you said it wasn't real. I just said if the clause exist, Dana White will use it. It exist for a reason.

It's common knowledge that Dana White bought the UFC after it was already succesful. There was a thread on that on ESB some times ago... I don't understand why people think Dana White is such a good guy, if he was such a good guy he would pay his fighters more !

 

Fedor is just to big and strong, Randy might go the distance but would probaly get KO'D...

 

ok i will give you that one:good:good:good but i still think the fedor of pride beats everyone and i even think if fedor rematches werdum and doesnt get careless again like he did in their 1st meeting i think he wins.but im in no way dis-crediting werdums win against fedor he played his cards right and suckered fedor to play his game by acting rocked punch knowing that fedor would jump down on him to try and finish the fight:twisted::twisted:werdum you were slick as a newborns ass in that fight good gameplan most didnt see you faking being rocked :yep:yep

 

And how exactly do you know the exact amount of total money put on the table? You don't. I don't, nobody here does. Fedor having a stake in M1 has no bearing on how much money the UFC could have offered him.

Are you serious? Not only is the 50% thing one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard, it would be completely illegal under every Athletic Commission in the country. Where have you ever heard of this? This isn't Japan, you can't steal from a fighter with yellow cards.

Of course Fedor cares about money, like you say, he cares about his family, and has been quoted many times as he sees fighting as a way to make money to take care of his family.

Dana White needs to grow a brain and co-promote, yet all the companies that have co-promoted with M1 have gone broke soon after. How does that make sense?

 

Good lord, so much ignorance compressed into so little space.

Dana White didn't buy the UFC, first of all.

The Fertitta brothers bought the UFC for $2 million in 2001, by 2004 it had lost $34 million. In what bizarro world is that buying something after it is already successful?

So the Fertitta's formed Zuffa, bought the UFC for 2m, made Dana president, lost 34m in 3 years, and now Forbes magazine valued it around $1 Billion.

 

Haahahah you zombie, M1-Global have co promoted with many many different promotions from around the world. The UFC has been actively trying to bring down any and all competition, just like what they did with Pride and Affliction. M1-Global only supplied a fighter and would not have caused the demise of Pride and Affliction.

Affliction = UFC backroom deal, Affliction down the drain.
Pride = UFC backroom deal, believed in UFC promises, Pride down the drain and UFC left Japan.

Exactly, Werdum thought that he deserved more and so went to Strikeforce. As Josh has said, Zuffa doesnt need nor want experienced fighters are are more than happy to hype up an inexperienced fighter like Carwin, Brock, and Cain.......or a has been like Randy and Nog (who both are well past their prime).

The media have been brain washed by Zuffa and are not even interested in looking at other talents from different orgs and different countries. These media's doesnt rank an equally talented 8-0 M1-Global fighter for example, while an 8-0 UFC fighter gets an easy ride to the top ten...............both are as experienced as each other. This is how you get Zuffa Zombies believing that an inexperienced fighter like Carwin (who gassed in 4 minutes of a 25 minutes fight) is a top 3 fighter in the world.

The UFC doesnt co-promote because they are scared that their champions looses to champions from other orgs. Dana and the UFC already lost huge amounts of money to Pride when their UFC Champion got beaten when they fought against the best from Pride.

I find it funny that you find Lesnar's got a chance against Fedor when he couldnt even handle the below average boxing and kickboxing skills of Carwin. Brock has NEVER before fought and beat a top level kickboxer and grappler like Fedor. Oh BTW Brett Rogers has more KO's and has more lethal hands (according to records) than Carwin.

M1 would be giving away their fighter to the UFC, why didnt the UFC allow Randy to fight Fedor? Its because the UFC is scared of an outsider running away with their belt, this is why they have a very restrictive contract.

According to Fedor and M1, the main issues were
1) No copromotion
2) The Championships clause (Fedor wouldnt be able to leave Zuffa is he became a champion)
3) One sided contract - whereby Zuffa could cut Fedor or even reduce his pay to whatever they want

Ask Randy this, Zuffa used this particular clause within the contract to deny Randy from challenging himself and fighting Fedor. This went to court and ruled in favor of Zuffa.

I agree!!! Their best HW fighter cant box, cant kick and would be lucky to remember the names of submissions much less remember how to do them. Anderson Silva got demolished by 50% of Japanese fighters and promptly left to safer grounds (the UFC).

How many fights has the UFC had in Russia, in Japan, in Poland etc......how many fighters do they have that comes from those areas? Other promotions must exists and must promote fighters from those areas...............

Also just look at the HW division, Strikeforce has a far better and more experienced lineup while the UFC is filled with inexperienced and over the hill fighters.

The UFC offered Fedor $400,000 in guaranteed money and also PPV money. M1-Global in previous fighters had Fedor at around $1.5 million in guaranteed money, a cut of the broadcasting rights, and M1-Global ownership, any sponsorship he wants.............as well as his fights shown for free in his homeland and region.

Overeem, Gegard, Aoki and many many many more top fighters refuse to sign with the UFC for this reason. The only fighters that sign with the UFC have been the desperate one (like Hunt). Also unlike everyone else, Fedor is actually a 20% owner of a major MMA promotion.

Actually it goes far more than 50%, they can basically cut your pay to whatever they want. However if your winning you cant just ask for more $$$$ and must wait for the contract to finish...................look at Carwin who only got paid $20k for this Brock fight while Brock got paid $400k guaranteed money.

Why would Fedor fight in the UFC when all the best HW's are in Strikeforce? Brock Lesnar, Cain and JDS should be fighting in Strikeforce against the best HW's in the world.....its absurd to think that Brock and co can be regarded as the best when they cant even fight the best of the best, afterall what type of fighter competes against lesser competition?

 

You guys are saying Fedor had a 1.5 mil gurantee etc etc However Wiki reports much lower figures...

Affliction Banned vs Sylvia - Fedor Emelianenko ($300,000/$300,000 for show and no win bonus)

Affliction Day of Reckoning vs Arlovski - Fedor Emelianenko ($300,000 with no win bonus)

 

Did Fedor not get a 1.5M signing on bounus?