Prime for Prime, Dmitrii Bivol vs. Roy Jones Jr ?

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Prime for Prime, Dmitry Bivol vs. Roy Jones Jr ?

Poll closed Dec 12, 2022.
  1. Dmitry Bivol

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  2. Roy Jones Jr

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  1. Sallywynder

    Sallywynder Member banned Full Member

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    No one beats that version of Roy.
     
  2. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council Full Member

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    Not convinced at all because like I said at a particular point in time RJJ was unbeatable. Roy may or may not have been packing glass all along but the truth is it did not matter because he was so good, fast and athletic that genuinely great fighters like Toney and Hopkins could do nothing with him. Now there is a school of thought that believes having bulked to heavyweight to outclass the champion Ruiz and take his title going back down to Light Heavyweight at age 36 compromised him in the Tarver fights. Anyway the thing about hypotheticals is that we can’t prove it with certainty but from what I have seen to date RJJ on points. I do think Prince Dmitry can beat King Arthur in the battle of Russia or should we call it the battle of Leningrad?

    As for the great James Toney my guy who I love dearly I cannot make excuses for him being weight drained against RJJ. RJJ won, it broke my heart but it is what it was.

    As for the failed drugs test if there really was one then I believed it would have been disclosed and RJJ and nothing like that happened so he was never found guilty and is therefore innocent.

    Now the real question for you based on your detailed study of Eastern European boxing who wins the battle between Prince Dmitry and King Arthur to determine who seats on the Iron Throne as the Undefeated and Undisputed champion of the Light Heavyweight world, the King of the 7 Kingdoms and new Tsar of Russia.
     
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  3. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    No fighter is unbeatable. I'm not saying Roy wasn't a good fighter. He was but Bivol is just all wrong for him.

    Toney was clearly dead at the weight. He was slow, sluggish and completely listless and like I said he never fought at that weight again. They say he was weight drained against Dave Tiberi who clearly beat him but he looked a lot more energetic and lively against him than he did against Roy and he fought at 160 again in his very next fight after the Tiberi fight.

    Roy fought a very green B-Hop who was dropped x 2 and could only salvage a draw against an Ecuadorian street vendor

    Yes and I've never subscribed to that theory at all

    ''Indiana Boxing Commissioner Jacob Hall admitted that Jones had tested "five or six times over an acceptable level"

    https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/officials-ignored-jones-s-failed-drug-test-6942777.html

    It's a hard one to call, Olu. If they fought right now I would edge towards Beterbiev but he's approaching his 38th birthday very soon and like fellow amateur greats of 300 + fights Loma, Usyk, and Korobov he has become very injury prone in his early to mid thirties and the clock is ticking against him.

    They both possess the style and attributes to cause each other major problems and I see it being a highly competitive affair. It will all hinge on whether Pastor Dmitry can hold Beterbiev off for the full 12 rounds, especially down the stretch because Beterbiev's murderous power, pressure, work rate, ring IQ, and engine are exceptional and as skilled, fleet of hand and foot, intelligent and defensively sound as Pastor Dmitry is that's much easier said than done.
     
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  4. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    RJJ is literally a nightmare fight for Bivol he beats him 10/10 times how will Bivol win outbox him? Ppl forget just how good Roy was in his prime or they never saw him. At least a RJJ vs Bertebiev you could argue Artur has a chance of catching him maybe but here Bivol has very little opportunity to win.
     
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  5. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    No cause Bivol can`t match the power of anybody that ever stopped Roy.
     
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  6. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Ray Robinson is still the greatest of all-time.
     
  7. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Muhammad was too big for Roy and Lee was too small, just saying.
     
  8. J Jones

    J Jones Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Roy Jones's Olympic Silver Medal—should've been Gold—and Val Barker Trophy make your comment laughable.

    Tell everyone Y-D-K-S-A-B without telling us Y-D-K-S-A-B
     
  9. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    What? Tarver had only recorded one other stoppage at LHW in his 12 title fights and that was against Danny Santiago who was stopped in all 7 of his losses and by everyone world class he fought

    Johnson hadn't recorded a stoppage win in his previous 6 fights prior to facing Roy and he only recorded 2 stoppages in his next 6 wins after sparking him out cold with an innocuous love tap

    Now to be fair they both fought durable opponents for the most part in those fights but so has Bivol too

    If arthritic slug slow senior citizen plodder Glen Johnson can catch Roy and sleep him then Bivol would have no problems whatsoever laying Roy out cold for a whole season with that lightening fast right hand homing missile of his
     
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  10. slash

    slash Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Roy Jones would have knocked Canelo flat out.
     
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  11. VLDS7

    VLDS7 New Member banned Full Member

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    Red ! Red ! Red ! Redneck!! Hill ! Hill , Hill , Hillbilly!
     
  12. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If Bivol gets the same PEDs as Roid Jones, then he would probably get a good power boost too.
    He would weather the flashy-flash and break Roid Jones done until the chin was clipped.
    The finish would come.
    Bivol TKO
     
  13. Goran_

    Goran_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Haven't read the thread but i wonder how many times nobody beats prime roy has been stated :lol:.. which I find hilarious because he fought before the division started having the influx of Soviet Fighters & pimps, and wouldn't even fight the main guys in his era anyway .. Dariusz for example .. look at his actual opponents, McCallum was 40, Montell was tiny, Tarver whooped him & Hill was coming off a one sided loss to DM.. the reality is there wasn't really much there to be honest .. it's a good resume but in the context of how much praise he gets for his run at LHW it's pretty lame to suggest he just blanket beats everyone since based on it .. everyone can be timed even Roy Jones and with a chin like that somebody would have got to him .. but hey ho it's only ever gunna be speculation anyway, and I'm sure the roy sycophants will jump all over the thread telling ya'll he got a KO whilst simultaneously taking a selfie & won rounds blindfolded standing on his hands..
     
  14. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    While he was clearly doping the testing process in US boxing is BS. Fact is US boxers don't do year round testing as long as he cycled off before the fight, he could keep doping. Honestly you have to be an idiot to be caught doping in boxing unless you come from a country which has a national year round random doping protocol for all pro athletes.
     
  15. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    Even so, because he'd be cycling off earlier (or doing whatever else it is they do to beat tests), how do we know we'd see the same performances? I know it's impossible to say. I just look at the guys from that era, maybe Holyfield even more so and wonder how they'd be if they were under present conditions? Would they maintain their levels for as long as they did? Bivol is a tough ask from minute one to the final bell.