Prime for Prime Jack Johnson vs Sonny Liston

Liston.bigger more skilled and beat similar caliber fighters much easier than JJ,neither really fought guys there size in their primes and did good,however liston is more proven on film he clearly has better skills.Patterson is a step above ability than JJ fought and liston plastered him .The only thing they share is physical strength and both eras didn't have very huge HW's but one has to look who struggled more against the smaller fighters.

 

Liston's best wins weigh an average of 199lbs Johnson's 206lbs The fallacy that Johnson only fought small men is BS.
Johnson is routinely in AT Top Tens, Patterson is in no one's.

 

I think Johnson would tie up Sonny and make a frustrating nights work of it win or lose. Machen was reduced to nuetralising Sonny but Johnson was the king in that department. It's what he set out to do anyway. Fighters like that can make a close thing of a fight with a better fighter.

 

I actually like Jack's chances here. I think his combination of quickness, spoiling tactics, and physicality on the interior would frustrate the heck out of Liston. Jack was an expert in bringing the worst out of his opponents, and I think he has the right blend of tools and physical attributes to break Liston down.

 

Jack, and it would be easier than some think

 

Its not about weights since JJ fought many guys under 5'10.the hard truth is Patterson is levels over anyone he fought that he beat.its noit about Patterson ,its about how easy liston won and that's because he outsized him by nearly 30 pounds,JJ was dropped by a 160/170 pound Ketchel,if liston hits him its lights out.Liston was a great inside fighter and combo puncher ,ppl just don't know what they are looking at,JJ was clumsy and awkward when going forward,he wouldn't be punching down either he would be punching up,that lunging throwing down on the midgets he fought would be thrown out the window vs Liston.

 

Johnson fought many guys bigger than himself too.
Why would Johnson be punching up at Liston? There is less than an inch between them in height. Liston would not out size Johnson by nearly 30 pounds ,in fact there would be around 5lbs weight differential between them.Liston was a great inside fighter? That is considered to be Johnson's game.
" People don't know what they are talking about ,looking at Johnson he was clumsy and awkward? "
Well the experts that actually saw him disagree and to an absolutely startling degree.
A few years ago Eddie Futch ,considered one of, if not the greatest trainer ever named Johnson,Ali and Louis as his top 3 alltime heavyweights.Guess he didn't know what he was looking at? Him and about another 30 boxing experts. It's a good job we have you here to guide us away from these experts and direct us to the right choices .Lucky us!:good

 

Yep I've never felt so lucky

 

Privileged I call us.:good

 

Because JJ was a lunger forward fighter who was accustomed to punching down on 5 foot nothing guys and liston had a 84 inch reach and inch or so height advantage who had a stiff jab and fought with decent defense unlike the low crouch hands down style of JJ's era?:roll:

All time HW's don't win fights that's not a skill I like sticking to reality and actually look at what each fighter was capable of.At least your last sentence for once makes sense you are on the right track now.:nod

 

Liston was 6'1"Johnson 6'.25" ,as I said less than an inch between them.
Johnson dealt with the jab of the best jabber of his era, Denver Ed martin 6'3.5" 82" reach koing him for several minutes. .

Ninety percent of fighters in Johnson's time fought out of an upright stance:huh

Johnson was not a" lunger forward," he was a defensive counter puncher who drew leads, blocked them and punished those that threw them .

The description,
" forward lunger "is the complete antitihesis of his style.

I've just realised its half term for the schools summer holidays.
That explains your recent appearance ,and your posts.

 

Johnson would be a fish out of water. No way he's clinching Liston, or even getting past his jab. No way he's taking his power shots, or has the range to counter back either.

Bad match up.

Liston vis KO inside six rounds.

 

video footage don't lie the smaller guys he fought waked in hands down crouch/lunge punches,they did not throw punches at him standing straight up they had to get underneath him which he made difficult with his clinching,more education for you.He would not be able to manhandle a bigger Liston as easy.Johson was a lunger while being aggressive its on FILM,that doesn't mean he wasn't a counter puncher either,if I was able to post links I would easily show this.


Im assuming we are in modern era rules in which JJ's clinching game becomes illegal and he doesn't remotely stack up to the more skilled liston who could box inside or outside,JJ's hit and clinch 1900's style is not in effect here and even so as stated he does not manhandle liston.

 

No one managed to out muscle Johnson inside, not Kaufman.McVey,Jim Johnson,Moran ,Jeffries, Willard or anyone else.There is nothing between them for size, about 5 lbs.
You keep on about the smaller guys he fought,what about all the big guys he beat too? I should be getting paid for this.atsch