Prime for Prime James Toney vs Thomas Hearns

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  1. Ali Frazier

    Ali Frazier KO ARTIST Full Member

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  2. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hearns gets underrated because of his fights with Barkley and a bad style matchup. I think Hearns knocks out Toney prior to Hagler. Hearns might have lost to Leonard and Hagler, but he also psychologically wrecked them and neither guy really fought well after fighting him. And look what Hearns did to Duran. The only guy Hearns didn't really hit and hurt much was Benitez. How he avoided Tommy's punches I don't know.
     
  3. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You aren't going to beat James Toney with right hands. If Tommy cannot land his right, Toney walks over him in an easy 6-8 rounds. If Hearns tries to land his right early, he'll get countered early. 1-2 rounds.
     
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  4. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    no he won't Hearns had a jab and he would use it and James would get hit with the right. Tommy is no Dave Tiberi.
     
  5. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I believe KO magazine did this match up about 17 or 18 years ago, unless it was some other boxing publication I was looking at. Toney was actually picked to beat Hearns if I recall. James was extremely durable and I doubt Hearns would be able to force the knockout or stoppage. Toney had power at middleweight and super middlweight too. Styles would make this a tough fight for Hearns. I think Tommy might be able to squeak out a close decision if he fought the right kind of fight, but frankly I wouldn't feel comfortable putting money on it.
     
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  6. Unforgiven

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    If he was in best condition, at middleweight, I'd probably pick James Toney.
    Intriguing match.
     
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  7. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hearns was an ATG, I just have problems with picking him beating the rugged dangerous, skilled fighters at middleweight and above.
     
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  8. SILVER SKULL 66

    SILVER SKULL 66 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Tough one to call, i assume this fight is at 160, Hearns would have to fight a near flawless fight, and even then it would be very close, any mistakes and Tommy with his vulnerable chin and shaky legs ends up on the canvas...

    Interesting fight since both men are from Detroit, i lean more towards James because we know he has the chin to take Tommy's shots BUT not vice versa:-(

    It would be a damn good scrap..
     
  9. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Both guys in top shape? I think James Toney would break through and stop Tommy Hearns in the mid to late rounds. Toney could punch himself and he had that great defense, chin and was a great counterpuncher.
     
  10. Brixton Bomber

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    This is the very definition of a 'Dream Fight', IMO. Instant Classic.

    Cases can be made for both men; therefore I'm sitting on the fence! Haha.
     
  11. TBomb 25

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    This fight goes the distance Hearns in a split decision....People really underestimate Hearns chin....the problem was his legs...after the Hagler fight his legs looked good...he just got caught by Barkley with a shot that would have ko'd anyone...the 2nd fight well he didnt fight his fight....and just wanted to prove Barkley couldn't knock him out. Ive only seen Tony beat up tall slow guys, Nunn dominated him and just got caught with a great shot....sometimes you just caught with something big.....but its how you come back from it is what counts, you have to be like a great 3 pt shooter you cant have a conscious when you miss, knowone did that better than Hearns....
     
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  12. Goyourownway

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    Hearns was simply a more vulnerable fighter above 154. I don't think he benefited a great deal from the added bulk on his upper body. The hand speed was still there but his foot speed wasn't as apparent and he wasn't as mobile. Toney was always a plodder and struggled with good guys with decent lateral movement, so it's not inconceivable that Hearns could built up an early, sizeable lead (I actually think he'd do just that.) I just don't think he'd be able to maintain the necessary movement needed over the entire duration of the fight. Toney'll make him miss, pick at his body even when he's losing rounds, and he has both the speed and adept timing to make Hearns pay for any mistake he makes, and he can hurt him.


    Toney was a huge f*cking middleweight as well; he emerged during a time when the sport was making the transition over to the day before the fight weigh-in's, which enabled natural light heavyweights like him, Eubank, Jones and McClellan to compete at a weight that they'd have never made ten years earlier. Hearns, in spite of his height, had to put weight on and grow into a middleweight.
     
  13. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    Styles and weakness decide this fight. Although Tommy would put up a grand performance, Toney has an atg beard. Converesly, Hearns' chin would fold under a big fat Toney shot to pretty much end the fight.
     
  14. MarkusFlorez99

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    I might slide with Toney by late stoppage while being down on the cards. Besidrs laying back and slip/counterung he could also press the issue
     
  15. Fergy

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    Toney comes from behind to ko Tommy.