Prime for Prime: Lennox ~vs~ Wlad - Classic Views?

This is true, and a fair point. I have a longer reach than Lennox, but Im a couple inches shorter. Lewis could certainly bear down and in when he wanted to.

I still think, though, that Wlad would come to him. These guys clinch. Its such a big part of what they do, they'd come together. Neither would have a streetfight in mind past the others jab, but Lewis is just better in there. Wlad wouldn't hit him near hard enough, often enough, nor would he attack him aggressively enough, to shake Lewis from boxer to slugger. Lennox would win because he holds a significant edge in point scoring ability in an area they both seek to be in actively.

People are gonna say clinchers clinch because they dont want to be in that range, and this is true, but when you have two guys who love to clinch for control like these two, the second either's range is screwy, they're gonna start locking up.

 

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This just shows you've never boxed, stamina is all about relaxing, the more tense you are the quicker you fade, punching yourself out is also usually down to panicking too, especially when someone is experienced and has such stamina, I'm sure MN would attest to that

To be fair though Wlad may have just overdosed on his stimulants

 

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Its only an inch, but Lennox is built like a damn gorilla. I'm a little bit more slim in the trunk. Means the pit-fist is in my favor.

 

And not just size, the strength. If he got his left glove to the back on your head, it was gonna go where he told it too. And the right glove would be there to say hello.

He never clinched in sparring, though. Maybe Jeremy Williams taught him a lesson on that one, hehe.

Wlad clinches like an octopus in sparring. A deflects the head with an extended left. So. Annoying.

 

true I never boxed but I have a little over a decade experience in fighting Karate competitions. So, I know how it is inside a ring. Wlad didn´t punch himself out because he was tense or paniking. He was going in with the wrong conditioning, I think Steward himself said that his training was all wrong and blamed his former trainer Sdunek, and gameplan. He just went out to blow Brewster out in a few rounds with a too high workrate, and it´s so obvious that he did that, and when Brewster just didn´t fold he was f*cked. Similar to the Purrity loss, even so he should have known better by then.

 

He also wasnt breathing very well in there. Holding breathe throwing combinations? Not gonna go well for ya.

Brewster did read him like a book, to be fair. Hung in there, and exploded back at just the key moment to make Wlad look bad. Had Brewster not exploded with those big left hooks, the stoppage wouldnt have looked as good for him.

 

If you want to see Lewis in a clinchfest

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Great posts from MagnaN, and they pretty much confirm the impressions I get of the two fighters from the safe side of the ropes.

It's near enough a 50-50 fight, IMO, with perhaps a slight edge to Lewis because he strikes me as the one who's more likely to turn a fight around with sheer fighting heart or bloody-mindedness.
But Wlad still has time to show that same quality, and besides it's a credit to his ability that he never really needs to.

For the big Lewis fan contingent on this board, I'd offer that Wlad is very close to Lewis in the areas of "resume" and "accomplishments", "dominance" and longevity ...... his only inferiority in record being the fact that he shares an era with a man he shouldn't be expected to fight (Vitali).

 

Yeah, for a little bit of that win was Brewster responsible. Those punches he landed looked quite hard. He saw his chance and went for it. Always liked him btw. Seemed like a nice guy and delivered some good fights. :thumbsup

 

Yes he did go out to blow Brewster out but a mentally strong fighter should be able to adjust, box and relax when he can't get the KO, it probably says something about the prior match making that Wlad couldn't. I actually found Purrity's pressure smarter than Brewster's from memory

Yea he certainly looked tense in there he also looked uncomfortable with his new found clinching technique Steward was having him use. Also far too uncomfortable being hit, sometimes you need to know how to roll and relax to take a punch, Wlad like Bruno seems to freeze like a deer in headlights making it all the worse.

I'm not sure it was Brewster's tactics more sheer refusal to quit and determination and that's 1 thing you have to tip your cap to Brewster for but if Wlad kept up the pace and didn't fade so badly no way was he winning

 

I don´t think you need to be mentally strong to adept. Wlad couldn´t adept because they had no "Plan B" - do they have nowadays? - and because he lacked experience - even so he shouldn´t given the Purrity fight.

Honestly, saying Wlad has no mental fortitude is just BS. He came back from three stoppage defeats to rule for now 5 years. He improved and showed he can beat punchers and so far that he has solved his conditioning/stamina problems. I don´t think he lacks in this department. Not anymore.

He never had to. Either he was stopped after dominating before or very early. But in all his wins before he just wasn´t very challenged. I think if he would have had tougher fights earlier he would have been more comfortable beeing hit. YWhen he gets hit now, which he rarely does though, he doesn´t look as uncomfortable anymore. I think he has a bigger confidence in his chin today which plays a big role. The Brewster fight wasn´t long after the Sanders one and he obviously didn´t believe in his chin at that point.

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I think Wlad is a very talented boxer, but I disagree with most, I dont see Wlad having a chance at all. He just lacks exactly what Manny was talking about in regards to Lennox and thats being physical. Lennox would make the fight inside and I think hes strong enough and became savvy enough to offset any type of holding by Wlad. Lennox would not get into a jabbing contest with Wlad he would force the fight and I dont think Wlads footwork and ability to deal with a pressure fighter is as good as Vital's, so I see a pretty easy stoppage for Lewis.

 

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