Prime for Prime, Who Wins @ 168, James Toney vs Joe Calzaghe?

+1

 

Wrong :good.

 

James Toney was a very inconsistent fighter back then. He was actually more consistent with his performance even when he was bordering on becoming a fat *******. Who can forget Dave Tiberi?

The footwork of Calzaghe would be the key for me. He can get in with combinations to head and body. Toney has the quality to counter of course, but there would be occasions when Calzaghe could get out again compeletely and Toney would be forced to either over balance or commit forward which is not natural for him. Toney was always a poor mover in my opinion, in respect to the other qualities he had, and Calzaghe is an excellent mover. Completely different to Hopkins, who was showing Calzaghe a different movement.

The 'work-rate' is a key factor. Many don't like it, but ultimately, it does matter on the scorecards and with relation to the footwork issue I could see Calzaghe getting enough done whilst having to take his fair share.

 

Who can forget the fact that all of James Toney's victories at MW were against 35+ boxers too? Iran Barkley, Mike McCallum, etc.

People talk about Calzaghe as if he's nothing but work rate, ignoring the subtle angles, footspeed and the ability he has on the outside as a guy who can throw the jab all day, those people are what I like to refer to as ****ing incompetent boxing fans.

 

I don't know about pure defensive skills, but prime Toney got hit more than 40+ year old Hopkins.

Toney stayed in hitting range, often on the ropes, looking to land his precise counters. Old-man Hopkins uses a lot of movement, slips shots well, comes in with his head, and clinches a lot. He is in a way more defensive mode than Toney was. Toney stayed in the pocket and looked to exchange. He did it in a skilled and slick way, and when he got hit, usually rolled with the shots well, but ultimately took more leather than Hopkins. Even in the Barkley fight, Toney took his share of shots to the body (which of course had George Foreman going nuts) and a good right hand in the first round (to which Toney just looked at Barkley to say it was nothing). Littles hit Toney with a big overhand right in the 2nd round. P.C. Williams landed some leather at close quarters in their fight.

I can't remember Hopkins in recent fights getting hit like that.

 

Easy. Calzaghe has a shaky defense. He roles punches with his face, and has a great chin which allows him to absorb alot of clean blows. When he goes through his slap routine that is when he is there to be countered. As what happened against Hopkins. Hopkins was able to slip alot of his punches which were very wild and left Calzaghe opened for clean counters. A prime toney would have more then enough power to put Calzaghe down should he come in like he came against Hopkins.

From middlewieght to light heavy. Who fought the tougher competition? Toney or Calzaghe? This should be an easy answer. Kessler has yet to prove himself. And his career is largely based off taking 4 rounds from Calzaghe. Lacy was never special and is now washed up after a short career. Reid and Mitchell were never more then B level fighters at best.

When in his career has Calzaghe ever worked a fighter from the outside with foot work and angles? He is good at turning fighters, but Calzaghe is always within punching range and rarely fights off the back foot.

 

In Wales: Calzaghe 11-1 or 10-2 in rounds.

In the US: Calzaghe 7-5 rounds.


______________


Calzaghe vs RJJ:

In Wales: Either Draw 6-6, or RJJ KO.

In the US: Either RJJ 9-3.

 

Eat a dick?? Noob scum.

 

Slammed Jones Jr? A fighter who was a shadow of his former self? You're a joke

 

Toney wins because he counters, he hits much harder and MUCH more accurately, Joe C would never be able to hurt him, and Toney is far more skilled on the inside AND outside. There is literally NOTHING that Joe does that Toney doesn't do 10x better except moving his feet. He has no shot in this fight.

And for the absolute morons giving Joe a shot against prime RJJ?
:tired wake up.

 

A prime Toney is way more than Calzaghe can handle. Joe has a great chin and great speed of recovery and he'd need it in this one. I see Toney being to quick and dropping Calzaghe on more than one occasion. Late stoppage or UD for Toney.

 

Amen.

 

I've gotten nothing but nagging headaches debating Joe Calz impressive yet slightly sensationalized career. On the subject of Toney vs Joe we have a difficult match up but I'm convinced the winner would only barely convince the judges. Trying to rationalize with some of Joe's fans will drive you on the brink of insanity. If it was possible to assault me for suggesting Archie Moore, Michael Spinx and Ezzard Charles would most likely beat Joe I would be a victim of pre meditated attempted murder. Joe is a hall of famer unfortunantely for him he has never faced another true elite other than a 43yr old career middle weight that made him look amateurish at points in their bout. Its hard for his loyal followers to accept but Joe's combonation of character, talent, heart combined with excellent management skills and lack of elite competition has created a monster that will forever roar whether your a fan of his or not. I think we need to accept it and move on he is who he is nothing more nothing less. I've been around boxing for a longtime and not every Ali meets his Frazier ala Lopez, Marciano and Calzaghe. Makes you appreciate the likes of Marquez, Cotto, Mosley and Pac for constantly taking on and seeking out fights vs the very best around them. Again this is not knocking Joe I'm just merelyputting his career in perspective.

 

Joe would be hurt repeatedly in the fight. Joe just doesn't have the athleticism to sense what is coming and avoid it. At 25, he outlasted a past peak Eubank but walked repeatedly into right hands catching them with his face. At the end of his career, he again still couldn't sense what was coming (from old men but better athletes) and got dropped hard by a way past peak Hopkins and shot RJJ. Joe is ESB's Marciano apparently. Rocky fought a bunch of worn and old ATGs in which he struggled variously but won with his comparative youth and Joe pulled the same thing off (by being still pristine due to his ten years fighting nobodies). It isn't who you fight but WHEN you fight them that matters. Toney is one of the best at landing cleanly the most impactful punches. He is in a different class altogether. Joe is (merely) a good fighter but these asinine statements that regularly occur on ESB (always from the same ignorant f**kheads) that he would beat prime ATGs because he struggled to defeat worn and faded versions is such a complete joke.

 

Wow, you're like a boxing sage or something huh? Damn, you know your stuff. Toney ducking Calzaghe was almost as bad as that puss Julian Jackson ducking Mickey Ward for so many years.

Good ****. :good