Prime Foreman vs. Prime Tyson

it is the phrase:good

and it is very funny because the tyson fans are using the match foreman-lyle( a very bad version of foreman mentally) vs the best tyson(spinks.berbick). when i want to face peak foreman 73-74 vs tyson (bruno-douglas) they tell me " tyson was bad mentally blablabla.
peak foreman 73-74 vs peak tyson 86-88 and foreman would ko tyson, end of the history.
old foreman 90-91 would destroy any version of tyson 95-00

 

what stupid comment, lyle was 6´3 and 1,93cm of reach
tyson was 5´11 and 1,80cm of reach. lyle had more heart than tyson had ever in his sad life.

 

yes, just like the chin of chuvalo,the jab of norton ,the experience of peralta and the stamina ,the heart and the strong mind of joe frazier too.

 

No, Lyle fought nothing like Tyson. Lyle was a 6'3 stand-up boxer and started out circling Foreman. He stood at his range exchanging punches and counter punches. Then they got into a wide open slugging match.

Tyson was a come forward 5'10 fighter who came in low. Tyson and Lyle require completely different use of Foreman's tools to beat.
I doubt Tyson even makes it as far as the slugging stage against Foreman - certainly not a prime Foreman.

You're using Lyle as a relevant example to discredit Foreman, but you might as well use Norton. And better if you use Frazier.

Anyway, Lyle was knocked out by a sub-par Foreman.

 

Foreman's only hope of beating Tyson is through an early stoppage - and that,in all likelyhood,is not happening.Foreman could do that to guys like Frazier because they were weak,fragile and had terrible punch resistance.Only way Tyson is ever going to be stopped is through a sustained beating over the course of a fight.Way too tough and durable to be ragged around in two rounds.

 

You think Frazier was "weak, fragile and had terrible punch resistance" but Tyson was "tough and durable" ??

I doubt Tyson ever saw the day he could withstand the punishment Frazier endured against Ali in Manila.

 

Here are some of the fights themselves that I think are most critical in understanding this matchup.

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Berbick did many of the things which Foreman would do. Namely pushing Tyson back and using uppercuts. He had some success early but at what cost? It becomes apparent early on though that this strategy won't work as he starts shipping serious leather. Berbick wasn't a puncher but was renowned for his physical strength and durability. Is a Berbick with more power able to turn the tide?

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One of the most dominating title fights ever. Frazier is similar to Tyson in stature and is coming in to Foreman so it certainly warrants inspection. One of the most interesting things about this fight to me is Foreman's footwork early on. He is backing up to give Frazier momentum for Foreman's own shots. Foreman has more guile and ring IQ than he's given credit for I think. Foreman is taking shots from Joe but it's obvious early on that Frazier simply doesn't have enough firepower to make Foreman respect him to the extent needed and the result is one of the most brutal demolition jobs ever.

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Beginning and end of Bruno-Tyson 1. Tyson totally disregards Brunos offense in the first round and eats the best combination that Bruno ever threw imo and is shook up. Bruno was a murderous puncher.
Shows that its possible to shake Tyson up, but considering it was literally a perfect punch that Tyson ate, is this encouraging for Tyson or Foreman? I don't know.

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Shows the defensive holes that Foreman leaves. Foreman may or may not have been at his best but it shows that he can be badly hurt and outslugged. Lyle is a different fighter than Tyson but it was a toe to toe slugfest for much of it and Lyle had remarkable success considering he was neither a big puncher nor especially durable. He almost does it, but Foreman's own monstrous power saves the day for him.

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Tyson at what I think was his best performance.

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Foreman at what I think was his best performance.

What do all of these point to? I don't know for sure. This matchup features two of the three best punchers of all time, so anyone that thinks that they have this one nailed down better not be a gambler

This fights ending early, and the one who I see as more suseptible to falling early is Foreman. Tyson's power lets him do what Joe Frazier couldn't, and that's hurt Foreman when he leaves openings. Thinking that Foreman will win is a rational stand, just not one that I agree with :good

You can't take punches from Mike Tyson and hope to survive with all that he brings to the table....you just can't.

 

Who would dispute Tyson's toughness and durability? When Tyson got stopped,it was always from a sustained pasting.Besides somebody like Holyfield,it's debatable whether any other fighter could have endured such punishment and remain on their feet for as long as Tyson did.


You would never have seen Tyson have to withstand the beating Frazier got in Manila because that used-up,sloppy and out of shape version of Ali would have been annihilated by Tyson.

 

Tyson never anilhated anybody as good and as big as Frazier, Tyson would be too small to deal with Foreman's power. Comparing Bruno & Foreman's power is ridiculous, although both their primes didn't last for very long, Foreman would punch through Tyson. :rasta

 

Bruno was a huge puncher.

Tyson too small is laughable. He weighs more than pretty much everyone George fought in his first career.

 

you know absolutely nothing about boxing

 

Id like to see Frazier take the punishment Tyson did against Lewis Ruddock and Douglas. He wouldnt have made it past the third round.

 

basing on his styles ,foreman would hurt tyson more than viceversa, foreman would not need the reflexes of muhammad ali, his brutal strength would be his best "partner" in this match, he would push back tyson and he would frustrate the attack of mike, yes i know that foreman was open ... but he would push back tyson, tyson was short, tyson was NOT AS BIG AS RON LYLE!!! . basing on his styles tyson could not hit foreman with his great combinations, but tyson would be a victim for the uppers of george. tyson simply did not have the chin to take the best bombs from foreman, and basing on his styles he could not avoid every shot from foreman.
AND PLEASE STOP TO COMPARE TREVOR BERBICK WITH GEORGE FOREMAN, IT IS SIMPLY AN INSULT TO GEORGE.

 

Its not even that as much as the horrible defense that Foreman had. He punched so wide and for a quick counterpuncher like Tyson that spells doom. Yes Foreman was big and strong and could probably push Tyson around, but I think he leaves more openings for Tyson to capitalize on. I dont think Foreman could hurt Tyson as much as Tyson could hurt Foreman.

 

1_not even in dreams tokyo douglas or new york buster douglas would beat joe frazier
JOE FRAZIER GOT UP 6 TIMES AGAINST GEORGE FOREMAN(BY FAR HARDER PUNCHER THAN LEWIS AND DOUGLAS ), TYSON WOULD NOT GET UP IN THE SECOND KNOCK DOWN.
frazier took much more blows from ali in manilla than tyson took from douglas. and ali is the grestest hw ever, douglas was a bucket of garbage, do you understand the difference?