Prime Foreman vs. Prime Tyson

Defensive Tyson was very very good pre Spinks. I think if you watch those fights and compare them to Tyson post Spinks you will see a huge difference in the amount of punches Tyson took.
As far as the comment about Patterson, he couldnt crack an egg nor was his chin anything close to what Tysons was.

 

All Tyson's weaknesses play to Foreman's strengths.
It's ridiculous really.
I give Tyson a puncher's chance to land his best punch ever on Foreman's chin, but for that chance, I give Foreman at least ten chances to land the kind of uppercut that would ruin Tyson.
Tyson's skills are so overrated it's a joke. He was good at dipping under a straight punch or two against guys backing away from him, but he took his fair share of punches too. He throws looping shots and gets his feet muddled up all the time, stands square on and dips into uppercuts, is wide open when he throws to the body, etc. He was good, but not as good as people are trying to portray. And his mistakes play into Foreman's hands, quite literally. Foreman would just stick out his "mummy" arms and measure Tyson and bomb him to pieces. Tyson ducks and springs in with hooks

People are talking like Tyson was so mega-skilled and Foreman only had technical crudeness.

Tyson never showed an inkling of willingness to fight in anything other than a straight come-forward manner, and with his short arms it's suicide against Foreman. And Tyson didn't have the strength to compete, to stay at the range to have any success. His stance is all wrong for Foreman, his footwork is amateurish, he's just asking to be uppercutted and pushed across the ring.
Look with honest eyes and you will see the gross deficiencies in his stance and all the flaws that will prove his undoing against Foreman :

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Obviously Tucker was a relative weakling, with not much power and strength. But look at Tyson, the way he stands and the way his moves in. Foreman's not going to have much trouble with that. Foreman was light on his feet when he needed to be too, in his youth, and he had a hard jab. And he manhandled everyone. People are giving Tyson too much credit for skills and tools, and giving Foreman far too little for what he possesses.

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Using a skilled boxer mover who lost unanimously is the total joke. Foreman was too slow too open, he would get punished. Foreman wouldnt hold, he wouldnt run, he would come forward with his hands by his waist. Tyson didnt just fight in a straight line either and he didnt have poor footwork. You cant throw power shots in succession like Tyson did and have poor footwork. If anyone was sloppy and unbalanced and telegraphed it was Foreman. Tyson rarely took clean punches in his prime.
If a guy holds and doesnt punch what does that matter. If a guy doesnt hold, hes getting blitzed. Tyson would allow himself to be tied up if the guy wasnt punching and he was in control. I dont see any problem with that. I know his corner didnt like it, and wanted him to go for the KO, but in all those instances he was well ahead. Use an example where the guy wasnt holding and just coming forward in Foreman like fashion and those opponents were all knocked out.

 

@ "Patterson couldn't crack an egg"

 

yes yes, tyson was much better because i say it, tyson would hurt foreman, foreman had power but i know that tyson would take that, but i know that foreman could not hurt tyson,tyson was too fast, too skilled, he could fly. foreman was big and powerful but the god tyson could handle that, buster douglas and frank bruno was by far harder punchers and stronger men than george foreman,foreman could not push back tyson because trevor berbick could not do it and everybody knows that legendary strength of berbick . tyson would avoid every shot from foreman, tyson would do it better because i saw it in my glass ball. tyson was hurt by buster douglas,frank bruno or tonny tucker, he was stopped by holyfield but tyson had iron chin, foreman was ko just once but by muhammad ali who had no power and he destroyed foreman, and foreman was not tired it was because he had glass chin, foreman could have fought 24 rounds this night, tyson would ko foreman because ron lyle knocked down foreman, everybody know that ron lyle was 5´11 and 1,80 of reach like tyson.styles make fights but in this topic we are talking about tyson so tyson would win, is not matter who is the rival. tyson would shock at the world and he would float like a butterfly and he would sting like a bee :roflyou are discrediting yourself with these stupid and partial comments

 

They are certainly not for your benefit, McGrain.

 

:tired honestly you are very boring, your comment are so partial that you bores to the people, just a blind fanboy would say that it would be easy for any fighter.
i am a big fan of george foreman and i hate larry holmes for example, but i think that styles make fights and holmes probably would outbox foreman, but tyson probably would beat even prime holmes. but in this match foreman had everything to destroy tyson. you can not take other opinion different than your boy winning, pathetic.

 

Tucker was hardly much of a mover. He just chose to back away from the stronger more aggressive, more powerful man.
Anyone tall who adopts those tactics against Tyson suddenly gets called a "skilled boxer mover".
Tucker was no speed merchant either. He was a fairly ordinary heavyweight.

Foreman always held his opponents, but not only did he hold them, he turned them and manhandled them. He smothered them, turned them around and punch them.
Why would he suddenly lose the ability to smother, hold and spin his man when he's faced with Tyson ?
Not only that, in almost every fight when he was at his best he moves as fast on his feet as his opponent makes him, or faster. Look at him against Chuvalo, against Kirkman, even against Ali, he's bouncing forward covering ground, circling and even bouncing back when he needs to create extra space. Every bit as fast as someone like Tucker, who was no Cassius Clay. Not that he'd run against Tyson, but he was nimble enough to side step and spin Tyson away and thrawt Tyson's rushes.

You're in denial.
Hell, yeah, Foreman telegraphed his shots and was often wide open. You won't see me denying that.
Tyson had bad balance, that's why he was pushed back and walked back by some fighters who didn't even equal him in physical strength. Tyson stood square on often and threw his punches from a confused stance often. He generated power through his legs but that doesn't mean his stance was good defensively.
Tyson rarely took clean punches largely because he put his mostly mediocre opponents on the defensive, and often knocked guys out early. Sure, he had defensive skills but why exaggerate it ?

You completely misrepresent Foreman's style. Like I said, he HELD, that's part of his game - and not to simply survive but as an offensive/defensive asset. Tyson's not difficult to hold or smother - if Smith can do what he did, and Bruno can have Tyson in a neck hold, then Foreman's going to smother him and spin him and push him and pull him, and use Tyson's forward momentum against him, and pummel him with jabs and crosses and uppercuts.

Tyson never fought anyone like Foreman, never beat anyone remotely as good as Foreman. So whatever examples you are asking for are not relevant.
and we know Foreman was only knocked out once, exhausted against a greater fighter than Tyson.

 

well said,:good man.

tyson had a lot of respect for foreman, he said that george was a killer.
foreman had a lot of respect for tyson, foreman said that tyson had the hands speed of muhammad ali.

 

If you look at the Foreman / Lyle fight it may have some answers..Tyson was a quick starter and hit much harder than Lyle, also he had faster hands then Lyle but one thing that Foreman proved in this fight just barely is that he could get off the floor to win and that is something Tyson never proved. Big George would also be one of the hardest punchers Tyson faced.

Foreman really was hand-feed-certain opponents prior to Ali, even Norton was perfect for him like a deer caught in the headlights. It is hard to say when Foreman was prime...physically it was career 1, mentally it was career 2

Either man could get KO'd before round 5 but if it goes longer...no on 2nd thought it would not go longer...I favor Tyson because I see him landing better but if he gets hurt by Foreman that is where George gets stronger and Mike gets weaker

There was mental weakness in both men when they were prime but Foreman proved he could come back from it like I said BARELY

 

tyson was not MUCH harder puncher than ron lyle, foreman compared the power of lyle with the power of liston.tyson was faster,more accurate, better puncher than lyle, but he was much shorter too, lyle was a bigger man , lyle had a better style to face foreman

one of the hardest? the hardest puncher of his ****ing career.

 

Fact is Lyle was not a tremendous puncher nor would he be near Tyson as a puncher. Tyson also threw unorthodox punches from angles something Frazier did not so I do not think height would be an issue in fact Tyson's height may be an advantage. Look at the old Foreman against the fat 5"7 Dwight Quawi and then picture Tyson in there and Tyson was 3 inches taller than Dwight.

 

he was a very hard puncher, foreman said that so i believe foreman. did you face lyle?

truth, but foreman would push tyson back like an little adolescent

not against george foreman, he destroys midgets

are you serious? qawi weighed 222 pounds heavier than any version of prime tyson, and foreman moved him lke a doll, foreman played with qawi, foreman did not take qawi seriously because he was no rival for george, foreman would take tyson seriously like he did against frazier.frazier did not take george seriously and he got destroyed.