prime Frank Bruno v Andy Ruiz who would have won?

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  1. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ruiz is game, tough and gave the performance of his career (so far), but he's being hyped up a bit too early. It is as though people have already forgotten just how poor Joshua was against him.

    At the moment, I'd back Bruno to have beaten Ruiz. He's a better boxer than Joshua, who seemed to forget he was a 6'6" Heavyweight, then played straight into the hands of the much smaller man and got paneled for his lack of awareness.

    Bruno had his weaknesses but he wasn't that easy to beat. For all of his stiff awkwardness, he had a very good jab, was more cautious in fighting behind it and could be surprisingly evasive - while he still had his legs and senses about him. I think Ruiz needs to demonstrate repeats of his last performance, at least a few more times against top-tier competition, before I consider that he might have been a serious threat to Frank.

    All of that said, Ruiz could well go on to do that.
     
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  2. JackSilver

    JackSilver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bruno had a better chin than Joshua and would take it much better than Joshua but Ruiz wouldn’t have been able to get up and win against Bruno anyway like he did with Joshua because no one ever was able to get up after been knocked down by Bruno and go on to win.
     
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  3. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    No, Ruiz`s jab is far better than Frank`s was and it comes with more power, he counters with the jab more, Frank`s jab would be off set by Ruiz`s faster counter jab, Andy`s hands are quicker than Buno`s were.
     
  4. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Bruno`s chin was weak as hell and got weaker as fights would go on because his stamina was awful, Ruiz would easily come back v Bruno who like AJ didn`t move off the center line after punching, he would get caught by Ruiz`s quick counter punches,Ruiz landed more counters onAJ than Frank did in any of his fights, he didn`t really like to counter at all aside from jabs that missed far more than AJ`s or Andy`s, Bruno was a wasteful jabber.
     
  5. JackSilver

    JackSilver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bruno had a stronger and more effective jab than both Ruiz or Joshua.
     
  6. sauhund II

    sauhund II Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Its amateur hour at the classic section......

    Ruiz is not a hard puncher, he is a sharp puncher with decent speed and [puts combos together and is a much more fluid fighter than the Bodybuilder., decent chin......now the bad things....he is easy to hit aka eats a lot of shots, has a habit of sticking his chin high up after he flurries and is IMO too game in a firefight ....

    The Bodybuilder went life and death with a shot ancient WK, even had to get off the deck to get it done.......Mike Tyson finished a far fresher Holmes without breaking a sweat and Evander Holyfiled used Grandpa Foreman as a heavybag for 12.....thats how Prime fighters deal with old timers. Fact........Never was Russian Hype job Povetkin and no talent Punchbag Whyte.and the Samoan with no fire in the belly aka papertiger..the stuff of legends.

    AJ does not fight tall, likes to trade up close with hooks, has a weak jab and poor stamina with a glass chin plus has zero Ring IQ with a lot of quit in him....and he is tailorrmade for Ruiz.

    Bruno fights tall behind a ramrod jab, likes to keep distance and kept ANYBODY on this planet earnest with his right hand and he liked to box not slug.......on his best day Bruno will make Ruiz pay for coming in in straight lines sticking his chin out, Bruno has also the better chin ...he never rolled around on the canvas countless times and never quit ever.......and Bruno is way better than the tame Samoan and I pick Bruno to win a clear decision.

    BTW, the AJ from the Ruiz fight would have not made it into the 3rd round with Prime Foreman or Tyson.....that is a good as death and taxes......and neither would have Ruiz, bank on it.
     
  7. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    You have no idea what would've happened to Ruiz if he got tagged like Bruno did. Just stop it. Reply to someone else's post.
     
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  8. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    I agree. It's Bizarro world at Classic. This place is smelling like rotten corpses. Because Andy Ruiz exposed AJ, who was badly exposed before that.
     
  9. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Yeah That’s a good point. I also give Bruno more credit if he beat Bonecrusher but losing to him wasn’t so bad if Smith also surprised Weaver and Witherspoon. There are no fighters as good as Smith or Witherspoon now.

    Sure, Frank is not an all time great. He didn’t beat anyone as good as Joshua that’s for sure, and I don’t like using brave losing efforts to demonstrate how he can beat somebody else.

    However, I just think there is a huge technical gulf between Franks era and Joshua’s era. 20 years reliance on size and strength over style and substance has took its toll on the division.

    Ruiz would develop and thrive in Franks era. He would fit right in and improve. But he would need to be there for that to happen. If he fought his whole career there, and could do what he’s doing here then he would be better than frank.

    Without being there he stagnates at this level, although there is certainly time for him to improve now.
     
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  10. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How do you know?
    It was a monster shot.
     
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  11. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Bruno also never beat anyone as good as Ruiz.
     
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  12. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Nobody then perceived as good as Ruiz is today. No.

    To be fair, Andy Ruiz should be afforded the same significance Joshua had in the division before he lost. He knocked out a genuine reigning champion. It wasn’t some D-list belt holder like Charles Martin or some handpicked guy in a vacant title fight. Fury Did not knock out a reigning genuine champion. Wilder didn’t knock out a reigning champion. Wilder only has a controversial draw with a linear champ.
     
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  13. JamesFosterGB

    JamesFosterGB New Member Full Member

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    Ruiz would win. Every first division boxer Bruno fought won. Smith, Witherspoon, Lewis and Tyson x2. And he only won against McCall because of home advantage (ref, judges). He should been DQ's for clinching, holding and hitting and rabbit punching.
    Joshua is stronger than Bruno, has better stamina, better movement. Bruno was a statue with not the best jaw. He didn't have one hit power like Shavers, Wilder. Once Ruiz lets his fast hands go on the Bruno jaw and temples it is a short night. On the other hand Bruno only got dropped once.
     
  14. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    You are correct of course but first division in one era can be different in another era. There are no Tyson or Lewis or Witherspoon in this era.
     
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  15. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    You’re in top form lumping Spoon in there.