Prime Frazier 1969-1971 vs Prime Foreman 1973

Neither has Wlad Klitschko, using that logic.

The fact remains there is a 3rd man in the boxing ring with ability to end fights as he himself determines things. In the ref's judgement, he stopped fights of both guy's. And Futch stopped two of his fights and Sdunek stopped 1 of Wlad's losses. So the corner can stop fights as well. They know their guy and they are pulling the plug.

So there are 3 entities capable of stopping a fightin addition to the opponent---corner/ref/physician.

 

Tyson absorbed plenty of big shots from Ruddock in their two fights.

 

No of course not

maybe its because in an era of punchers.....he seemed to have missed out on all of them, oh except the one that used him like a yo-yo and made him run in the ring.....

 

Just one of those shots put Dokes to sleep for a good 10 minutes

Tyson took them and even smiled at Ruddock

 

People forget, Foreman didnt JUST beat Frazier with power, he also studied Fraziers style

Foreman threw a jab, Frazier ducks, Foreman throws an uppercut, keep repeating.

Tyson used the exact same thing vs Marvis.

 

But crucially this study and game plan worked so well only because Frazier had lost one range he could fight at. Foreman could draw a line in the canvas, keep Frazier at arms length and know he could hit Joe without getting hit back.

When Joe could still operate at long and medium range, despite having a shorter reach he could reply and "be first" at those ranges against any fighter. There would be no restriction or "line in the canvas" he could not penetrate. If he could time and land against Ali at long range in his prime then Frazuer can reach George too.

Take Prime Joe's longer game from him and he became a sitting duck for the likes of Foreman. And so it proved.

 

Dokes was basically out on his feet by the ropes and the ref didn't save him in time. Ruddock unleashed a shot that should have never happened. Dokes was out already and could have been severely hurt. Tyson was always on the move and is very hard to hit flush.

 

Maybe you need to watch this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcVJVvDTJeo

 

Have you actually watched the fights? Tyson took plenty of flush shots, most of them he was unnecessarily walking into. He had very little defence against Ruddock

 

Foreman beat Frazier with power and uncommon strength. I agree he did use his jab and uppercuts but Remember when Joe was able to slip inside and get a shot or two off the first thing George did was push Joe back on his heels. Then he would catch Joe trying to work his way back inside. George was able to pull that off because he was a powerhouse.

I don`t think even at his peak when he was really a great fighter that Joe Frazier could make enough adjustments to beat George Foreman. Its just a terrible style matchup for him.

With that said it gets annoying when people claim that every so called "puncher" gets picked to KO Frazier because that wouldn`t have happened. Frazier`s chin was solid and his heart never quit. George Foreman was a once in a generation type of force in the heavyweight division.

 

True Frazier would walk through a lot of guys, power alone wouldnt save you but Foreman and Tyson were a lot more than just power.

 

Frazier was dropped for an 8 count by Mike Bruce.
In 41 fights Bruce scored just 6 kos, for a 14.63ko%:think

 

I guess a correctly timed punch from anyone can drop anyone at any given time.

either that, or Fraziers chin was ****

 

I think we can assume there are question marks about it being "solid".