Prime Frazier 1969-1971 vs Prime Foreman 1973

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  1. abdelfadeel

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    he almost died in fotc. bye
     
  2. Azzer85

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    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
     
  3. heavy_handss

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    frazier was down 7 times vs foreman, george dropped him frequently because the style of frazier was perfect for foreman so it was an "easy" target, so tell me how many guys in the history with this style could keep coming o george taking these bombs and still getting up once and again 7 times? please... tyson could not even get up barely once vs the bum buster douglas who was not even a puncher, foreman was one of the most (if not he most) destructive punchers in the history of boxing.
    both men tyson and frazier got a very good chins, but your example of frazier vs foreman to insinuate that frazier did not have a good chin is ridiculous
     
  4. Azzer85

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    Maybe you should follow the full conversation to see why i wrote what i did
     
  5. abdelfadeel

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    right?! THANK YOU!
     
  6. Azzer85

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    Because in your world ko2 is better than ko10:patsch
     
  7. heavy_handss

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    ko by george foreman is by far more excusable than ko by douglas, does not matter the round
     
  8. Azzer85

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    Getting Kod in 2 by Foreman.... an honour shared by the likes of David Jaco and the chinny Ken Norton

    Oh wait...didnt Tyson Ko David Jaco much faster than Foreman did?

    yep :good
     
  9. heavy_handss

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    NO, FOREMAN STOPPED JACO IN THE FIRST ROUND IN THE MINUTE 2:03 AND TYSON DID IN THE MINUTE 2:16, SORRY BUT EVEN OLD FOREMAN STOPPED HIM FASTER THAN PRIME TYSON, PLUS OLD FOREMAN STOPPED MIKE JAMESON IN 4 AND PRIME TYSON DID IN 5 DESPITE FOREMAN WAS MUCH SLOWER. tyson won the title in his 40s by ko and was competent against the top young guys and foreman was a complete joke who got stopped by a bum pork like kevin mcbride right?
    chinny ken norton? larry holmes (hardly a light puncher() could not stop norton , neither ali could. norton got stopped just by very hard punchers, you can´t say the same with tyson, douglas was not a puncher, holyfield was not a puncher, kevin was not a puncher but a pork full of fat
     
  10. Azzer85

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    Ali and Holmes are NOT big punchers, respectable yet.

    Tyson finished both the Holyfield and Douglas fights on his feet.

    So Tyson stopped Jaco 13 seconds after Foreman?

    Good. I didnt think Frazier would make it out of the second round against Tyson :good
     
  11. heavy_handss

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    ali and holmes stopped tons of guys in the later rounds, they could not do it with norton, so he hardly had a class chin
    tyson was drunk and he barely could be on his feet vs douglas and he got his ass in the floor vs mcbride

    so, you said that tyson stopped jaco much faster? And it was not truth, because he did not even faster?

    it is pure speculation
     
  12. abdelfadeel

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    George even admits that he caught Frazier at the right time and had he fought him earlier the fight would have been much different. He also said that frazier left everything in FOTC.
     
  13. abdelfadeel

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    1973 Jamaica Frazier could fight Foreman 100 times and likely gets knocked out 99 times.

    1976 post Manilla Frazier could fight Foreman 100 times and likely gets knocked out 80 times.

    1967- 1970 Frazier could fight Foreman 100 times and I'd say Joe probably wins 50 or more of those fights, with 10 or 20 by mid to late round KO.

    Foreman was devastating in Jamaica 1973, but he's not beating the prime 1967 - 1970 Frazier with the relative ease he showed. This version of Frazier would be on Foreman faster than any other opponent he would have faced. There's no doubting that Foreman catches prime Frazier early in the fight and has him down once or twice.

    Prime Joe Frazier was a much different animal that was much harder to hit in the late 60's. There's no way Foreman would have been able to absorb Frazier's body work for more than five rounds without slowing down significantly. Ali barely hit Foreman to the body in 1974 and he had nothing left after the seventh round. What makes people think Foreman would have the same steam on his punches going into the middle rounds against a prime Frazier?

    Too much focus is made on Frazier's poor Jamaica performance without looking objectively at who the dominant champion was after Ali's exile. It didn't help either that Mercante was letting Foreman push, grab, and shove Frazier's shoulders aside to get separation. That is an illegal tactic that should have resulted in a point deduction, but like I said before, Mercante probably wanted to make sure the ultimate decision was out of his hands.
     
  14. heavy_handss

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    lol i suspect that we know you, and you have great imagination.. i think that maybe foreman would have stopped the lighter younger frazier even faster
     
  15. heavy_handss

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    i will say more... green foreman 70-71 would stop the prime frazier who stopped bob foster, it is a thing of styles, frazier never would beat foreman