Prime Frazier 1969-1971 vs Prime Foreman 1973

again this was after he almost died at fotc.

 

And as i said before, ONE win doesnt make a legacy.

Just ask Riddick Bowe :hi:

 

He didn't," almost die," thats a load of bollocks.

He was badly hurt against Bonavena and down for 8 against soft hitting Mike Bruce both fights were before FOTC.
Now do you want to admit you were wrong about Berbick being prime,and Tubbs finishing the fight on his feet, and Chuvalo's chin having any bearing on the stoppage by Frazier ?
And just about every others tatement you have made .
Or will you just continue to ignore the facts that are staring you in your tunnel visioned face?


For Christ sake stop with the ball licking, its nauseating.

 

" One swallow does not a summer make".
Simple like that.

 

the story is the same, both beat an ATG, but outside of their resumes are not very good.

both fought in an era of punchers, but fought none...except Foreman who used Frazier like a ping pong ball and Hide had Bowe out on his feet. (Bowes own words, not mine)

also is it a coincidence that both were trained by the same man as well?

 

Frazier went to the hospital for an extended stay while Ali sported only a swollen right jaw.

After the fight, there were rumors Frazier had died because of the severe beating he took from Ali -- both eyes were nearly shut and his forehead was swollen with lumps from Ali's jabs. huffingtonpost .com. why do you think frazier didn't compete for the rest of the year?

 

Are you seriously telling me that Frazier's victories over Quarry and Ali are not as good as Tyson's victories over Bruno, Ruddock and the rest of the losers on his record?! I know that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I respect that, but what you're saying is so wrought with ignorance of Frazier's competition it's just plain scary. I can assure you that Ali, Quarry, Foster, Bonavena, Mathis and Ellis would murder any of the tomato cans on Tyson's record. I'd bet anything on that. Also, who has the better record if only TWO hall of fame boxers can claim victory over Frazier while Tyson was KOd by two journeymen, one mediocre heavyweight and only one true great? I totally disagree with you on this one.

 

I voted Foreman by KO. I think George would've beaten any version of Joe Frazier. That said, Frazier wasn't at his best against George either time they fought.

From Howard Cosell's 1973 book:

I want to take you back to January 1972. The place: New Orleans, Louisiana. Dallas was to face Miami in the Super Bowl. But the night before the game, Joe Frazier was to fight a college student named Terry Daniels. Like so many fights of this ilk, it was hard for me to believe that this fight could be licensed. It was a disgraceful mismatch. But the promoters were hungry, the New Orleans boxing authorities were hungry, the whole state was hungry to make it a big-time sports weekend and to reap the rewards that were in the offing.

It was, in a boxing sense, a time when people were clamoring for a Frazier-Ali rematch. Everyone seemed to want it but Frazier. He had some coming back to do, after the physical punishment he had taken from Ali. Yancey Durham thought the best way to do it was slowly, carefully, by matching Joe with setups almost as if he were beginning his career all over again.

Nobody was even giving George Foreman a serious thought. Foreman had been building a long victory string against soft touches, also-rans, washed-up fighters, and youngsters even less ready than he appeared to be. Still, the general notion was that Foreman was anything but a polished fighter and he wasn't considered to be in the same league with Frazier and Ali. One man thought otherwise - his manager, Dick Saddler.

I know. Saddler came to me two days before the Super Bowl game. I was lunching at the Royal Orleans Hotel when Dick arrived with Foreman in tow. He got me aside and said, "George is ready and I've got to get him a big fight. We can't keep going the way we're going. Assuming I could get either Ali or Frazier, which do you think we should fight?"

"Without question," I told him, "Joe Frazier. His style is exactly right for George. George will kill him. He might have trouble even finding Ali in the ring."

Saddler looked at me and said. "That's exactly what I wanted to hear you say. I agree with you one hundred percent."

That was our conversation in a nutshell. George and Dick took off, and I thought no more about it. I couldn't believe that there wouldn't be an Ali-Frazier rematch before anybody even thought of George Foreman. That was my mistake. I underestimated the deep dislike Frazier has for Ali, a dislike that would ultimately cost him multimillions of dollars. Frazier went his own way. He did away with poor young Daniels. He even fought a pitifull stiff named Ron Stander in Omaha, another fight that should not have been licensed.

Picking up later ...

Instead, Frazier signed to fight George Foreman in Kingston, Jamaica. His manager, Yancey Durham, did not want that fight. He made it clear before the fight took place. Frazier wanted it. First, he regarded Foreman lightly, and second and more important, he wanted Ali to wait and wait and wait, though his public cry was always to the effect that he would fight Ali anytime, if he got the right money deal. There may have been some truth to this but, in my opinion, not a lot.

 

i think he can.

 

who is round15?