Prime Frazier 1969-1971 vs Prime Foreman 1973

Machen really? 34 years old and had won 3 of his last 8 fights.
Who had Chuvalo beat when he fought Frazier?
Who did Foster ever beat at heavyweight?
Mathis was unranked.

 

chuvalo beat doug jones before he fought frazier. eddie machen beat alot of notable fighters, he gave liston troubles. foster ko'd mike quarry with one of the best punches i've ever seen. buster mathis beat george chuvalo and chuck wepner. he also beat frazier in the olympic trials.

 

Mathis was unranked with a record built up on nobodies.
Machen was shot

.Foster never beat a decent heavyweight and was not ranked at the weight.

Jones has one single decent win at heavyweight
The Olympic trials? They mean jack ****.
Stop with the BS.

 

so chuvalo and wepner arn't notable fighters.
i will admit Machen was past prime, but he was still dangerous. Earlier in ’66, he gave prospect Jerry Quarry his first loss.
so mike quarry and ray anderson aren't decent heavyweights. ray anderson beat ali before they turned pro.

 

doug jones beat zora folley and arguably beat ali, the majority of the people in the arena thought he deserved the verdict. and jones beat tom mcneely.

 

Chuvalo and Wepner were fringe contenders at best.
Ray Anderson and Mike Quarry were lightheavies.
Anderson dabbled in the heavyweight lists but never beat a rated heavy.
Quarry never fought one.
Anderson never fought Ali as an amatuer.
Ali's amateur losses were to}

Terry Hodge
Kent Green
Donnie Hall
Jimmy Ellis
Amos Johnson
Percy Price
John Hampton
Do you make this stuff up as you go along?atsch

 

No he didnt arguably beat Ali he lost.

"Then Clay opened up. His hands pumping like pistons, he unleashed barrages of eight and ten punches at a clip. Jones took it all and replied with punches of his own. Cassius, however, had a big edge in the last two rounds, especially the tenth, when they staged several hot trades to the delight of the crowd"
Tom McNeeley wow!

 

Anderson to his credit was one of the few men to beat the young Cassius Clay, who went on to became the Heavyweight Champion of the world, known later as Muhammad Ali. wikipedia

chuvalo and wepner both gave ali close fights with the latter even flooring him, they dont sound like fringe contenders to me

 

so the spectators just decided to throw beer, peanuts, ticket stubs, and even glass bottles at ali for no reason? Many thought Jones deserved the decision, which was loudly booed by the Garden Crowd. Of 25 boxing writers at the Garden that night 13 scored it for Jones, 10 favored Clay and 2 called it even.[2][3] The Ring selected this as its Fight of the Year in 1963.

 

mcvey: no he didn't arguably beat ali he lost.
me:so the spectators just decided to throw beer, peanuts, ticket stubs, and even glass bottles at ali for no reason? Many thought Jones deserved the decision, which was loudly booed by the Garden Crowd. Of 25 boxing writers at the Garden that night 13 scored it for Jones, 10 favored Clay and 2 called it even.
mcvey: silence.

 

Wikipaedia is wrong ,not for the first time.Chuvalo never floored Ali
And Wepner stepped on his foot. FRINGE CONTENDERS.

 

The Cassius Clay-Doug Jones fight is readily available. Hell, YouTube has a 100 different guys who've uploaded it.

Watch it for yourself.

I don't know why some people thought Clay lost. It was a competitive fight. Many of his early fighters weren't. Maybe the ringside reporters just gave Jones the nod in any rounds that were at all close.

I just didn't see any controversy.

 

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