Prime Frazier 1969-1971 vs Prime Foreman 1973

War torn ? He was 29 for ****'s sake the same age as the man he scored his greatest victory from was.
Difference being he hadnt been out of the ring for nearly 4 years.

Prime for five fights, one against a nobody ,one against a lightheavy.

Pretty short prime.
Frazier could only fight one way, everybody with an ounce of understanding of boxing knows this, come forward throwing ,and that is a recipe for disaster against a bigger, stronger ,harder hitting man. Whatever version if him is in there he gets KTFO.

If Frazier was out of shape it's because he defended his title against two unranked nobodies and dodged deserving contenders for two years. Whose to blame for that?

 

Not sure if anyone has suggested it already, but perhaps you should have set this thread up as a poll. Maybe you still can??

 

If you say so. What happened when Frazier was lifted up in the air, did he just decide to jump?
Stamina?
Foreman went 12 rds with the heavyweight champion of the world when he was 42 ,he didn't sit down once. Foreman went 10rds with the heavyweight champ when he was 45, again without using his stool, then he knocked him out. Keep trying.:hi:

 

Bang on!

 

I'm referring to the 1976, second fight with Foreman, not the first. At this point Frazier was war torn especially coming off of Manila. Joe was also quite a bit heavy as well. The point was (again) Joe using '76 tactics with '71 version.

 

While in his forties, George Foreman fought at a far more deliberate pace than when he was in his twenties, which is a major reason why he was able to go the distance as an older boxer. Of course, Foreman DID have some real stamina problems while trying fight at a quick pace as a boxer in his twenties. On the other hand, a vintage Joe Frazier had terrific stamina for a boxer who displayed a tremendous work rate.

I do give Foreman a great deal of credit for his ability to adjust as an older boxer. In fact, it seemed that he became so much smarter when making his comeback at an advanced age.

- Chuck Johnston

 

There's no question George came back a smarter boxer second time around.

Imagine if he'd had that 40 year old head on his 20 year old body :think

 

So a past prime old Foreman had more stamina than the prime version.:huh

 

Foreman beats him like a drum, 7days a week, 52 weeks a year .

Frazier did **** all against Foreman in either fight except get hit, whatever tactics he employs he gets sparked,running around, not engaging only delays the inevitable.

Frazier is toast for Foreman.

Big heavyweights with huge power are Frazier's kryptonite. He met ONE and was dropped 8 times in less than 7 rounds.It's just styles, and physicality.

 

Resorting to insults now, always the sign of a bankrupt mind.

It wasn't a lack of stamina ,you thick ****, it was a lack of pacing.atsch

Insults are easy aren't they?

 

Ultimately I think even prime Frazier took a little too long to get going so Foreman would always be difficult early for Frazier since George started so fast early on...but I think Prime Frazier had more tools to deal with a Foreman who was oh so wide open.

Frazier at his best deserves to start favourite. Remember the odds makers made Frazier Favorite based on his prime. They missed how far he'd slipped. They felt, rightly in my opinion, that prime Frazier was a better fighter than George Foreman had looked against Ted Gullick in his most recent televised fight. That was the comparison they had to go on when they set the odds.

People are too sold on Foreman winning against any version of Frazier but the crucial point I always make is that when they fought Fraziers defence was severely reduced by the fact that he could not land at a certain range anymore and he could not see what was coming in time. Frazier had lost something. He was rocked by both Daniels and Stander.

Prime for prime it's a more even fight. It could even be the difference between Foreman landing first or not. And that's a big difference. Frazier would be able to meet Foreman on he way in. The way he could time Ali and land at distance, even beat ALi to the punch at times, was an asset missing from Frazier when be did meet George. The fact is it won't be all one way traffic and that will reduce what Foteman can do. Frazier still won't entirely fend off Foreman though but I think he lands some serious fireworks before Foreman gets going.