Prime Frazier 1969-1971 vs Prime Foreman 1973

Doesn't matter which version of Frazier turns up, hes still going to do the same thing and that is walk into Foremans uppercuts

 

With greater control of his distance as he had in his prime Frazier will be less of a sitting duck and able to meet George, perhaps get off first. Not being able to be first against George Foreman is a huge handicap. It is almost suicide. Frazier in his prime could get off first. It would be a different fight.

 

Same result.Frazier had no idea what to do when he got dropped,he just ran in for more like one of those little clockwork cars that keeps crashing against the skirting board.

 

sorry i disagree, Frazier hit Foreman with some clean left hooks, and Foreman just walked right through them

when a guy walks through your best punch and he has no respect for your power, your in deep ****, that's what happened with Tyson Spinks too

 

No you miss understand me. Without the ability to hit as he comes in (like he could in his prime, timing and beating Ali to the draw on occasions etc etc) and counter, catching Foreman mid flow Frazier was unable to land his best punches. He did land a clean punch but he was not coming in behind it.

Without being able to land on the way in, Joe had to walk up without punching and let go only once he was right up close. As if he was working on a bag.

George had no respect for Joe's power because he could basically draw a line in the canvas and know he could reach Joe and Joe could not reach him.

Believe me, if Frazier landed his best shot Foreman would know about it. George would not need to be tired. Joe hit harder than Lyle, Ali and young who all put George over.

 

As I said, bankrupt mind.

 

How do you know Frazier hit harder than Lyle?

Both Foreman and Shavers named him as the heaviest puncher they fought. Ali stopped Liston twice,did he hit harder than Williams who couldn't in 2 tries?
It' s a silly rationale. Quarry stopped Foster whom Ali couldnt drop , Ali stopped Frazier, whom Quarry couldn't.
Ali kod Bonavena whom Frazier couldnt drop in 2 fights. Ali stopped Quarry but couldn't stop Shavers whom Quarry kod.
Puerile comparisons which prove nothing.

 

"Was that thing his hook?" George Foreman after Kingston.

 

But the difference between Fraziers prime and Kingston Frazier might be the difference between Joe landing a lot of punches on George Forman or not.

I am saying Joe hitting George a lot is a big deal because Joe was a proven world class puncher. We've seen George hit Joe a lot. How about considering Joe hitting George a lot? We did not see that. Maybe prime Joe would hit George a lot?

If George did not get hit with Joe's best shot when they did fight and the better version of Frazier has more chance of hitting George I think Joe's power is kind of important. Don't you?

 

Frazier really never landed "cleanly" on George except the left hook in the second fight that caught George as he was pulling away. The height differences and styles made it very difficult for Joe to get in anything effective on George.

 

Foreman still shoves him around and twists that shoulder and sets the distance. Then. Joe walks in. Same script. It would be far easier for Joe to adapt to a flicking jab than a big guy shoving him & loading up for those uppercuts from both hands.

 

George had no respect for Joe's power because he could basically draw a line in the canvas and know he could reach Joe and Joe could not reach him. He would have more respect if Joe could actually hit him.

Prime Frazier can cross that line in the canvas. He had the footwork to come in from the sides and land at any range. He was not restricted to walking up and only hitting back when he was inside.

Basically the Frazier George fought could only fight at one range. The fighter Ali fought, that Bob foster, chuvalo, Quarry, Ellis and Mathis fought could fight and land at any range.

It's obvious that Frazier does better against George if you give him that extra range back.