Prime Frazier 1969-1971 vs Prime Foreman 1973

Also, it would be interesting to have a '71 Joe use his '76 tactics.

 

Yeah, i guess we can only fantasize about how a Foreman/Frazier match would go, seeing as they never fought each other. :good

 

I've always thought Liston seriously f*cks Frazier up.

People give Liston a hard time for the Ali fights, but that dont mean Frazier is going to walk over him.

Listons own comments are pretty self explanatory, when asked how a fight with Frazier would go, he replied 'it would be like shooting crabs in a barrel'

Three guys Frazier should avoid like the plague Liston, Tyson and obviously Foreman.

 

Totally agree.

Another thing - can Joe really hurt Foreman? He did land some shots in the first fight, including a great left hook, but George brushed off Frazier's punches without much effort.

So yeah...as you said...a strictly come-forward guy facing a more powerful, harder-hitting, more durable opponent is always going to be up against it.

For me this is one of the easiest fights to call between two certified greats. George battered him without mercy in the first fight and took a little longer in the second fight, but ultimately still won convincingly. There is simply no precedent to suggest Frazier - even at his very best - does anything to truly trouble Foreman.

One can argue about stamina and fair enough, but that would only come into play after several rounds. What happens before that? Even so, I feel with George it was more a case of poor pacing rather than genuinely bad stamina.

His stamina proved to be excellent in his comeback and even when you factor in his more deliberate pacing, to go 12 rounds with Holyfield - who seemed more tired than Foreman after the fight - really does nothing to add credence to the argument that his stamina was bad.
I feel pacing rather than stamina, was really George's problem more than anything.

So all in all, an easy fight to call. And that is not a bad reflection on Frazier, a fine fighter, but here he is outmatched.

 

Sorry, posted without reading much of the thread. I pretty much just reiterated what McVey and Azzer said.

 

Yeah, he won how many rounds in their second fight? Go back to the General Forum lad.:hi:

 

Stamina Stamina Stamina.atsch

Bonavena ,a slow puncher not in Tyson's class for either power or speed had Frazier on ***** street.

What top level punchers did Frazier face, and what was the result of those fights?

 

On the other hand who did Frazier knock out cold?

 

Nothing to be sorry about you make a lot more sense than most.

 

The trouble with that one left hook was Frazier was not coming in behind it and it was one left hook. The volume of punches Joe needed to land in order to be competitive was severely restricted by two factors.

Number one Joe could only land at one range. This meant George could draw a line on the canvas and keep Joe on the end of his punch knowing Joe could not reach him.

Number two Joe's punch resistance was awful after being hospitalized after TFOTC. Even Daniels and Stander wobbled him.

Prime Frazier has an extra range to fight with, can land more punches and take a better shot.

 

no problem dude

at least you know what your talking about

 

Tyson at his best, would stop Fraizer within 6 rounds, take that to the bank