Prime George Foreman vs Deontay Wilder

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Who would win between prime George Foreman and Deontay Wilder?

  1. Deontay Wilder

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  2. Foreman Prime

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  1. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder doesn't own a jab, George had one of the best in heavyweight history, George will back up Wilder from the get go, then Wilder will fire some of those novice amateur windmill shots that do nothing and George starts nailing him. He can't move forward , has no idea how to fight backing up and he has no footwork and George does, Foreman sets him up and BANG!!. Ref takes one look and stops it
     
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  2. gerryb

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    How does taller mean stronger?
     
  3. The Ogdoad

    The Ogdoad Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fair point
     
  4. gerryb

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    You cant tell how strong someone is by looking at the size of them. Foreman was STRONG. Thats easy to tell by his actions.
     
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    George Crowcroft Youngest Ezzard Charles Fan Ever Full Member

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    It doesn't. But Wilders frame let's him build momentum, which means more speed and power.

    He wouldn't be able to do that at 6'3
     
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    gerryb Active Member Full Member

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    Tyson and Tua were examples of shorter compact guys that hit extremely hard. I still rate the punch that Tua threw to ko Darrell Wilson as the best shot ive ever seen,the short distance it travelled to completely render a man unconscious. Tysons ko of Frans Botha is up there too.

    Wilder defies logic. Skinny arms and legs but a lot of power. Massive strength in his shoulders.
     
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  8. reckless

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    It's like the lever thing we learn in physics in school. Wilder has long levers (arms) and is able to generate massive amounts of force, and he is also throws his punches very fast.

    It's the same in a sport like tennis, the taller players have the hardest serves.
     
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  9. reckless

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    Are there any examples of a 220lb Foreman rag dolling 240lbs fighters or ones who were 6'7?

    Foreman was a big man in the 70s, today he would not stand out physique and strength wise.
     
  10. reckless

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    Being taller can help you punch harder, that is if you throw with good speed.

    It can also help you in clinches as you will be able to lean over you opponents.

    Look at what Wilder did to Ortiz in clinches despite being 25lbs lighter.

    I'm sure Ortiz can out perform him in pretty much all gym lifts but Wilder's height helped him ragdoll Ortiz.
     
  11. Boxing2019

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    Wilder is like a merrygoround. Thanks to his long arms and shoulders very articulated he can throw shots very fast and powerful. Brawler style...however if hit hard he falls down ...saved by the bell against Ortiz.
    Foreman hits hard and would not be thrown down neither if he comes back to the ring today (one of the best chins ever).
    So would win Foreman for TKO or very probably for decision.
     
  12. northpaw

    northpaw Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He'd only be shorter. Young Foreman was far more solidly built than Wilder and was not at a size advantage at all. Young Foreman would decapitate Wilder. What's crazy is that I believe the older, patient, more intelligent ring general Foreman would lose a wide decision to Wilder.

    Almost the opposite of how I feel older Foreman usually does vs. opponents vs. younger Foreman.
     
  13. reckless

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    Pretty much everyone Wilder has fought is more solidly built than him. He wins because he is usually the taller man, has more punching power and speed. Height and reach are a big advantage in boxing.

    6'3 240lb Ortiz and 6'8 255lb Fury could not throw Wilder around the ring.

    Wilder even managed to do a judo/wrestling throw on Ortiz.

    6'3 220lb is not impressive at all in today's age. You're not going to rag doll opponents with those stats.

    Mike Tyson was 5'10 220lb and much more muscular than Foreman and he also never threw anyone around the ring. Buster Douglas and Holyfield easily dominated him in the clinch despite being less muscular than him but they were significantly taller, especially Douglas.
     
  14. northpaw

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    He fought a non very mobile Ortiz, who still managed to bounce him around and looked quite good doing it for a while and Fury is simply a back foot fighter who isn't gonna press. Neither Ortiz nor Fury are the physical rough and tumble fighter Foreman was. They don't stalk like him, don't have his power or chin. Every fight of Foreman's first incarnation, you know what his gameplan was. Forward progress, power and pressure. Against everyone. There's no fighter he wasn't overly successful with that tactic. (except Ali). Why would Wilder be any different, lesser fighters have put Wilder on the backfoot.

    6'3' (the current unified champ is shorter and rag dolled the former unified champ) and 220lbs (the other current champ is generally lighter and by your own reasoning judo threw a much larger opponent) appears to be more than sufficient.

    Tyson being muscular has nothing to do with anything, he was not a big guy at all. Despite the weight, his dimensions were that of a LHW.
    Someone 7 inches shorter than damn near everyone else isn't gonna win in a clinch because of leverage. Just look at size comparison's between Tyson and his opponents, they almost always looked like they were in different weight classes. Foreman never gave up that type size and dimensional advantage to anyone in his career, the younger version.
     
  15. reckless

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    Foreman looked big in the 70s because the fighters he was fighting were smaller or the same size.

    Have a look at the post Tyson - Douglas interview. Tyson is much more stronger looking than Douglas.


    Tyson was built like a tank but that mass and strength did not help him push fighters around. Likewise Foreman would be giving up 3-4 inches of height against Wilder and would not be pushing Wilder around either. Holyfield was 3-4 inches taller than Tyson, weighed 7lbs less and threw Tyson around the ring.

    Foreman may be able to beat Wilder but he isn't just going to walk through his punches like some machine like you are claiming. He got knocked out by Ali for god sake, someone who was not known for being a big puncher.
    Even Frazier never got knocked out (or down) by Ali. Foreman also got knocked down by Lyle several times. He was not the iron chinned 260lb fighter he was in the 90s. You cannot create a super fighter with the best attributes of the 70s and 90s Foreman.

    Ruiz did not rag doll Joshua, he just beat him with hand speed and had a superb chin.

    I said Wilder was able to throw Ortiz around because of his superior height and Ortiz's weight could not stop this. He could probably do the same thing to young Foreman.
     
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