Prime George Foreman vs prime David Tua

A shorter than standard HW or come forward brawler who has to get close and press the action to have a chance at winning? He fought a number of these types (guys 6'0 and under). All of them he picked off and pretty much beat up anyone that came forward to him. That's not how you beat George, you beat him on the move (except obviously Ali)

I don't think either version of Foreman would stop him Tua was a horse, I don't give Tua much chance though as even his hail mary hook which has saved him from the scorecards a number of times, George has shown he can weather just about anything

 

Yeah but Morrison fought an overly cautious fight on the backfoot, Tua is never going to take that approach.

I give Morrison credit for his performance though, he stuck to his gameplan and didn't get lured into exchanging punches which must of been hard for an aggressive fighter like him.

 

None had Tua’s durability and few had comparable power.

George didn’t show the stamina to win a 12 rounder against Tua.

 

Not the point. The point is that Frazier, Qawi, and those guys were way smaller and less durable than Tua.

 

The issue I see is that Tua can sometimes go into a shell for long periods, he did this vs Rahman and Maskaev.

Tua is more explosive than Foreman, but I think he will have issues with his jab and Foreman pushing him off.

Style wise short swarming fighters tended not to do good vs Foreman either.

 

But Qawi is a much better defensive fighter than Tua, and Frazier is a better fighter overall aswell, although your correct that Tua has a better chin than Frazier.

Although I don't think Tua having a better chin than Frazier, means style wise he has any success vs Foreman. Short swarming fighters just don't match up well vs Foreman.

Boxers like Peralta, Young, Ali, Schulz, tended to give Foreman problems. Or fighters like Holyfield, Morrison, who fought him on the outside. In Morrison's case he fought a very smart tactical fight which was out of the norm for him.

 

David Tua never won a 12 round fight by decision in his entire career and the only people he ko'd late were Oquendo, Izon and Maskaev, none of them have ever shown the durability of Foreman. George's likeliness that he would be ahead at the final bell is very strong. Tua ain't gonna knock him out,

 

Qawi didn’t do poorly against Foreman. He basically lost due to being a fat cruiserweight who never beat anyone at heavyweight but did ok until being stopped, which has nothing to do with Tua getting stopped.

Beating Frazier doesn’t prove that you’ll produce the same results against Tyson, Tua, and Andy Ruiz. It does suggest that you could do it against Bert Cooper and Qawi.

 

Foreman had neither stamina nor head movement in the 70s. There’s no reason to think Tua would need the cards.

 

Maybe but irrelevant as he won, got it , he won .. he showed moxie, he did't gas, he didn't fall apart mentally ... he hung tough and won ... that aside , Rahman boxed and moved behind a jab as did Maskaev , a style Foreman in his first incarnation was incapable of ... overall your rebuttal is a weak one. Byrd sucked too right ? Goodbye.

 

My rebuttal was weak ? no everything i stated was a fact all you did was paint half a picture with no context what so ever.

You brought up wins over Rahman without mentioning Tua was completely outboxed in both fights, the 1st fight Tua lost almost every round and was gifted a highly dubious stoppage, and the 2nd fight Rahman was totally robbed in a fight where he out landed Tua by over 60 punches and most people thought Rahman won in the region of 8-4, 7-5.

Against Maskaev Tua again lost almost every round until finally catching up to Maskaev in the 11th round, Maskaev is also not the most durable Heavyweight having been stopped 8 times.

And finally when did i say Byrd sucked ? all i said is your "opinion" of Byrd being a better version of Young is very debatable. And Byrd did not look that great in his short title reign getting 3 highly dubious decisions. 2 of which against Oquendo, Golota, a majority thought the latter won. You also commented Tua "fought excellent vs Byrd" when he was out fought and outboxed in the region of 8-4 ?

Again how are these rebuttals "weak" when infact they are all facts with actual context ? and how are any of these fights a feather in the cap for Tua on how he fares vs Foreman ?

If anything it shows Tua's limitations as a fighter, also the fact that Foreman eats short swarming fighters for breakfast I don't see why Tua should be favoured in this match up.

 

I respect yours too HG and it's probably not worth going back and forth over. Tua wasn't much chop to me.

 

BOOM!

 

DP bossing this thread all the way.

 

Saved me a couple posts.