Prime George Foreman vs Zhang

LOL I'm arguing with a bunch of dementia patients. I should have realised it earlier. Either that or I just got trolled, in which case good job, you had me going.

 

You're the one trolling. You have either intentionally or unintentionally used about half a dozen logic fallacies, contradicted yourself, insulted people, refused to answer questions, and went off topic multiple times deliberately.

What happened to you letting me have the last word? I'm offended.

 

Foreman v Lyle part II

Slugfest, blows everywhere.

 

I personally think that his wins over Joe Joyce are better than his win over Wilder, but that's besides the point. This guy is just insane.

 

Zhang's best win is probably Joyce who in shape is the same size as Zhang. Zhang's weight advantage was mostly fat.

 

That tiny piece of paper your emoji’s holding - is that the research you’ve done on Zhang?

Yes, that would appear to reflect the sum of your knowledge on all things Bang.

That inconsequential piece of paper probably has written on it - “Bang Bigger. Bang Better. Facts!” - signed by Mongo.

Yes, we are for REAL.

And we’re not so slow as to have not known that Zhang had suffered a KD during his pro career.

Nor so slow to have assumed that Foreman had 20 lbs on Chuvalo - as YOU incorrectly assumed and STILL won’t admit to - thus your screaming failure to revisit your own, “outstanding” point re that fight.

Don’t worry, no one here is so slow as to have missed those faux pas’ of yours. You went full Ostrich when the Chuvalo err was highlighted to you.

Btw, AJ dropped Big Bang hard in the AMs - just an FYI - you know, in case that’s yet another thing you didn’t know.

AJ turned the trick with a right hand also. Funny about that given Zhang not “appearing” vulnerable to right hands.

Lawdy, knowledge really is power, ain’t it?

No one here has made your argument for you. Dream on….

You’re the ONLY one here who has heavily accented on size - because you think that it automatically advantages the behemoth you’re backing.

Still can’t work out if you want career heavy 291 lbs and 16 punches per round Zhang or the 260 lbs to 265 lbs “good cardio” Zhang - or, are you submitting a “magical” blend of all versions to suit yourself - “Multi Zhang”, - DC, Marvel, anyone interested?

Of course, when citing the weight difference of some 60 odd pounds, you’re basing it on career heavy, 291 lbs, all time low output, Bang. Convenient.

But cardio Bang would see a much reduced extra poundage of 35 lbs to 40 lbs.

Since YOU are so big on weight (don’t inexplicably confuse people referencing your own bias in that regard to mean that they agree with it or that it is THEIR argument) you do know that Foreman basically weighed 225 lbs when he crushed Ken Norton in less than 2 rounds, right?

I’m very reluctant to assume that you did know - with good justification.

The 218 lb Foreman that stopped Chuvalo would’ve squished the most recent version of a Wilder like a bug.

You might think Zhang NEEDED a 68 lb weight pull over an old, worn torn, already bambi legged Wilder to see him off - George most certainly wouldn’t have needed that extra weight.

Hell, George could’ve even lost that mammoth 3 1/2 lbs extra weight he held over Chuvloa, “wasting” himself down to 214 1/2 lbs, thereby mooting any question of size “advantage” and STILL would have squished THAT version of Deontay more quickly and more impressively than Bang did.

Your size queen argument has been weighed and measured by a number of extremely knowledgeable members here who DO know what they’re talking about - and your argument HAS been found extremely wanting.

After being deconstructed, all you had left to prove was the self knowledge that the wheels had well and truly fallen off your little cart - and you’ve at least proven that FACT beyond a doubt.

Well done.

 

Joyce was an incredibly slow, inexperienced, 37 year old with zero defense who had only 2 decent wins (Parker, Dubois) and has never been a champion so I'm not sure that beating him is better than beating Wilder.

Either way, Foreman's KOs are far more proven and valid than Zhang's and it isn't close. I'll take KO/Stoppage wins against Frazier 2x, Norton, Lyle, Chuvalo, over Joyce 2x and old Wilder every day of the week and twice on Saturday.

 

Guys like him think manliness is doubling down on your original claim, acting like an ass, and refusing to admit when you're wrong. He copes with 9th grade humor and insults.

Nobody is forcing or expecting him to say Zhang loses, we just want a smidgen of intellectual honesty when basic facts are pointed out. But that's expecting too much of some people.

 

To be fair, I think Joyce was better than THAT version of Wilder who clearly wasn't/isn't the same puncher as he once was.

 

Marciano and Langford are 5 ft 10 and 5 ft 7. Thats different.

 

crashed and burned just like 217 lb Wilder that y'all are raging that Zhang weight bullied? Yeah, there's a good possibility.

But do continue making contradictory arguments and imaginary statements I am amused by the FORTEman Club

 

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Toastmaster still salty he got whooped.

 

Foremans KO rate is over 8 points higher despite 5 of his last 6 wins being decisions and having over 3 times the rounds as Zhang. Usually sluggers with only a few good wins have a higher rate than Zhangs 81. Also Zhangs reach is only 2 inches longer. Zhang only started weighing 270-290+ the last few years and still couldn't knock out Hrgovic or Parker who both won their fights despite being knocked down. That is not historic power if it was historic power fighters wouldn't recover from it so quickly. Its hard to lose a 12 round fight where you have two knockdowns and your opponent doesn't have any and you outweigh them by 40 pounds and are 4 inches taller. But Zhang did it. On the other hand Foreman was consistantly getting 3 knockdowns a round against Frazier and Norton they weren't recovering and outboxing him. When he got Moorer he didn't get back up.

Weight and reach correlates with power and swinging more mass generates more force but the fighters with the most power just have "it" without being heavy or tall. Fitzsimmons and Wilder could lose a ton of weight and still keep their power. Valuev was 7 ft tall and was 320 pounds and just didn't have "it". The KO power without a swing is just something you have or you don't.

Foreman actually stopped KO'ing people in his late 40s when he gained weight and became a point fighter after the Moorer fight. Something Zhang can never do he is totally reliant on power that can't put people to sleep.

 

Beterbiev has an incredibly high KO rate. I guess that proves he hits harder than Foreman, right?

got old?
started better fighters?
started fighting bigger fighters?

Yeah its a mystery why boxers tend to knock out more guys when they are younger and fighting smaller or worse men.

 

At what point did you "whoop" me in this discussion?

-When you refused to answer my question about who has the more impressive KO: Foreman KOing 29 year old Frazier or Zhang KOing 38 year old Wilder?

-When I pointed out the sheer lunacy of you calling Foreman a weight bully against Chuvalo (3.5 pound advantage) and you think Zhang bullying people with 30-60 lbs is okay and absolves you of hypocrisy because they're "both" weight bullies?

-When you claimed Zhang's speed would be a problem when Foreman beat guys faster than Zhang?

-When you called Foreman's competition "microbial ants" despite the fact Zhang beat men that size?

-When you didn't have an answer to me pointing out the 6'1 flabby Juan Goode was able to tag Zhang dozens of times with the same punch and dropped him, a guy vastly inferior to and even shorter than Foreman...?



Also, what happened to you letting me have the last word? So not only are you incapable of answering basic questions and displaying very low levels of testosterone, apparently your word means nothing too?