Prime GGG vs Sugar Ray Leonard (Hagler fight) MW

Because all the fighters he destroyed weren't top opponents I guess nor were Jacobs and Canelo

 

At his best maybe, but not the version that fought Leonard

 

Jacobs he barely beat. He arguably lost.

Canelo he did beat in the first fight, but he faded down the stretch, hence why Canelo was even able to pull that BS draw.

Which plays to my point. If Golov can't close the show late on a spurt fighter like Canelo, how the Hell is gonna come on late against one of the best stamina having and highest will power having greats who ever lived?

Golovkin was NOT NOT Hagler. He lacked Marvin's will, and he lacked Marvin's versatility.

He was a myth. Damn good fighter, don't get me wrong, but doesn't belong with the middleweight ATGs.

 

I disagree on multiple fronts:
A. GGG beat Jacobs clearly. It was competitive, sure, but the knockdown sealed it—most scorecards had him ahead (e.g., 115-112).
B. Canelo I was a clear win over a prime ATG while past GGG’s peak at 35. That’s a better scalp than most of Hagler win with only Hearns arguably being better, and the second fight was razor-close, with many arguing GGG took it. Two tough fights against an elite guy, one a definite W, beats Hagler losing to a smaller, post-prime Leonard in ‘87.
C. Your stamina point doesn’t hold up. We’re talking ‘87 Hagler—slower, less versatile, not prime Marvin. GGG thrives late: he swept the late rounds against Jacobs, took most of them in Canelo II (rounds 8-12), and even outworked Canelo late in the trilogy at 40. His engine’s pretty legit.
D. Calling GGG a myth is wild. He dominated middleweight for years, ducked by top guys like Sturm and Cotto, and still smashed names like Lemieux and Murray. Even past his best, he beat prime Canelo and hung with him twice more. That’s ATG material, willpower, skill, and resume.

 

GGG faced what boxer that had the speed and lateral movement of a Leonard? NONE.
Hagler would have beaten GGG to a pulp and stopped him. Somebody said GGG had a higher boxing IQ then HAGLER???? Hagler could switch hit could GGG?
People forget that Hagler had to pass through the Philly gauntlet of middle weights to even get a title shot.

 

Do you even really know boxing? Check out who Hagler beat BEFORE he even got his title shot and I assure you that competition was much greater then GGG.
Your on here acting like Daniel Jacobs is some legend when he got crushed by Pirog. Who did Jacobs ever beat? The great Mora?
Hagler of the Leonard fight not only beats Jacobs but he stops him.
Sorry to tell you but Canelo,compared to middle weight greats of the past, isn't in thier company.
I shudder t think what a Hagler in his prime would have done to Canelo in his prime.

 

I know boxing well enough to see through the nostalgia. Hagler’s pre-title resume, Willie Monroe, Bobby Watts, a fading Bennie Briscoe, doesn’t tower over GGG’s. Monroe outboxed him once but got stopped twice; Watts nicked a decision but wasn’t elite; Briscoe was 35 and past his prime. Solid? Sure. Better than GGG’s Lemieux, Jacobs, or prime Canelo? Hardly. Hearns post-title is Hagler’s best win Duran at 160 was a lightweight way past his best in terms of both age and weight.
Jacobs isn’t ATG, but he grew after Pirog beat him in 2010. By ‘17, he was a bigger, tougher test—beat Quillin, Chavez Jr., and took GGG 12 with one KD. ‘87 Hagler, slower and sloppy against Leonard, stopping him? Jacobs’ chin and size say no.
Canelo not a middleweight great? He unified belts, beat GGG, Lara, Trout, Cotto more than ‘87 Hagler could claim against Leonard. Prime Hagler might maul Canelo, but we’re talking the post-prime shell from ‘87. GGG at 35 outshined that. You’re riding Hagler vibes, not facts.

 

You really do not know boxing as you missed a couple of other names on Haglers resume on the way towards a title shot.
Lara , Trout, Cotto were never middleweights were they? And the Trout bout genius was at JR MIDDLEWEIGHT as well as the Lara bout so how do you associate those with middleweight fights?
And for the love of GOD he got a very questionable decision over Lara and and he couldn't put away a shot Cotto.
How is Jacobs all the sudden become bigger when he is fighting in the same weight class? He grew up after getting clocked how? Who did he go on to beat? Did you really list CHAVEZ JR as a noteworthy opponent that he defeated? Are you kidding ?
Duran YEARS latter dropped and beat BARKLEY for the middleweight title what did Cotto do after he lost to Canelo?
Nobody ever questioned ANY win during Haglers reign as champion - not one time. Can you say the same about Canelo? That is called being a dominant champion.
You come on here thinking you know this or that or are impressed by a glittery record even if that record has no substance.
Canelo LOST that first fight with GGG and everyone knows it hence why they had a rematch.
I cannot wait for you to tell me all about how Canelo is better then Carlos Monzon.

 

Wow, all I can hear here is the collective slurp of about a dozen panties getting sucked into their collective cracks

 

LOOOL I also want to see the name of the genius who thought Leonard knocks GGG out Come on fess up, ya little biscuit

 

Interesting match, SRL was a great champion and I think GGG is among the best 10 middleweights ever. It's not easy to predict, I think that GGG's stamina, workrate, power and ability to cut the ring would have created problems for all the best. Leonard was faster than the Kazakh and had a divine footwork.

Would GGG have managed to knock out Leonard in 12 rounds or would Sugar Ray have danced around the ring enchanting the judges with his rapid two-handed series (like in April 1987)? Hard to say but fantasy matches are a nice game to dream with, so I say GGG by tko in the last rounds when Leonard was clearly ahead on the judges' scorecards

 

14-11 in favor of Leonard, a reasonably close call at the moment.

 

I don't think Golovkin is as good as people imagine. But I think he's better than the Ray who 'beat' Hagler...

 

Leonard UD.

 

Let's not forget that the weigh in rules for these two versions are different. Hagler's 160 is essentially 154 today.