prime hagler top ten?

Hagler is perhaps the greatest middle that ever fought. Even if you don't agree it's still a debatable topic no one would say that it's crazy to discuss it.

 

Well said:good

 

Zale won the ttile in 1940 and held it until 1947,but because of the war,he only defended it 5 times,before losing to Graziano.

Zale missed fighting.
Charles
Moore
Burley
Lytell
Williams
Chase
Booker
Basora
Welch
Lamotta
Tunero
Garcia
Among others.
Plus, Cerdan was rated for 43/45/ 46 , before he finally got a title shot in 47.
Who did Hagler miss at 160lbs?





Hagler won the title in 1980 and ,until he lost to Leonard in 1987 , he defended it succcessfully 12 times.

 

I say this with no respect: Your mother was a $2 hooker.

 

i am with you on this as i feel Freddie Steele would beat Hagler, i have 4 fights in excellent quality of Freddie Steele and he was without doubt a great fighter with a record 2nd to none. trained by the great Ray Arcel Steele would be the best fighter Hagler would ever have fought by some way.. Hagler beat-up small fighters like Antuofermo, Mugabi, Obel, Hamsho, Minter an old Briscoe yet struggled to beat former lightweight champ Roberto Duran. IMO Hagler was very fortunate Hearns broke his famous right hand in the opening round otherwise Hagler was getting stopped via TKO for the first time in his career. Hagler also struggled twice to beat Britains Kevin Finnigan using illegal head butts after failing to out-box the Brit on two occasions then finally losing to a comebacking Ray Leonard who was having only his 2nd fight in 5yrs. IMO it is debatable if Hagler makes the Top 10 in such a great division as middlewight when you think of all the other greats at that weight like. Robinson, Fullmer, Cerdan, Steele, Monzon, Ketchel Toney, Jones Jr. Walker, Hopkins, Greb, Tiger, Olson, Giardello, LaMotta, Burley, Benvenuti. it is not nailed-on that Hagler makes the cut and in H2H or resume compared to those fighters i feel he just falls short.

 

easily. I think he is in the top 3.

 

Great Post.

& Burt, your a class act. The main this young poster reads up in the classic is to hear from brilliant passionate veteran's of the sport such as yourself :good, not to mention the amazing knowledge possessed by the average classic poster too. Not too shabby is this place huh :hat

 

T P,thank U for your sentiments. Boxing is marinated in my bones since I was a young 'PUP",living next door to a trainer, of the great light heavy champion
John Henry Lewis. Loved the sport since then.:hi:

 

You ever see LaMotta fight live Burt ?

 

Yes, S I did see LaMotta once in the Eastern Pkwy Arena in Bklyn. Not one of his best fights. But that is another story.

 

Cool, what year, who was it against Burt ?

 

I used to believe that Hagler was the best of the middleweights, back when I was a pimple-faced kid at risk of flunking high school.

But once a boxing fan matures and starts looking into the history of this sport, he begins to see that Hagler's top ranking doesn't make a whole lot of sense -not when you have other middleweights fighting twice as much and against tougher guys -some of which are 30 lbs heavier.

....The rest of D.T's post merits no response. It is indicative of a deep-rooted and strange medical issue that D.T probably suffers from:

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It was in 1948, and LaMotta @ 165,won a disputed decision over a Verne Lester @ 153 lbs. The crowd booed the verdict and LaMotta was terribly out of shape, I recall...

 

you were still lucky to see the legendary Bronx Bull though