Prime Hector "Macho" Camacho vs Prime Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker.

PR Boxing Lore · Sep 5, 2007

joito3 said:

fact is if these guys crossed paths at 135 lbs we would have seen some of the finest fights of all time ! two southpaws ... fastest fighter i've ever seen in camacho and greatest defensive master in whitaker .... they would have been close fights !

I could see if they fought 3 times that each guy would have at least 1 victory under his belt but there would be no shutouts like the pea nuthuggers are claiming
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:good well said.

PR Boxing Lore · Sep 5, 2007

Caper said:

Tough fight to pick, both men had some of the greatest pure talent I'd ever seen. Hector's image spoiled a lot faster than Pea's thus clouding the minds of many fight fans. Pea also lost his luster due to activities outside the ring. Its a pure shame some fighters are just so good they feel they can stand to lose a couple days of training or get trashed a couple nights a week. I think both men fell pray to the lusts and ills of this fabricated world thus causing them literally **** away their great potential. At 135lbs Pea wins a contraversial SD that could have gone either way and will in a rematch with Camacho pressing more action by using his greater ring cutting skills. This leads to a trilogy with Pea winning a UD by using effective countering and staying away from pocket exchanges that seem to lean towards Hector in the judges eyes. :smoke
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You even imagined a trilogy,great.:good

Caper · Sep 5, 2007

Sweet Pea said:

I didn;t understand the bolded part, who wins?

And how are you gonna say that Pea would be running from Hector in any way and staying away from pocket exchanges? He stayed in the pocket with bigger, stronger, harder hitting, better inside fighters than Hector and beat them. He often became the stalker in his fights as well, no way in hell he runs from Macho. In fact if anyone is the aggressor it's Pea for sure.
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Relax.....your making me think you are somehow impartial towards Swea :yep

Pea wins the final bout, I'm not saying Pea would be afraid to exchange I'm saying he would lose the majority of exchanges in the pocket with Hector, just my opinion. Can't knock me for that.

Caper · Sep 5, 2007

Sweet Pea said:

I don't see how really though, considering he proved himself to be a far better inside fighter than Macho. And again, I don't see how you would say he is the one backing up, he showed on many occasions that he is capable of pressing a fight, unlike Camacho, and hit with better accuracy. I just don't see the fight playing like you say.
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Pre Rosario Macho banged away while also showing fast hands and quick reflexes.....Hector would not fear Pea's power and would gladly exchange. while Pea was accurrate he sometimes focused to much on the dodge aspect of his game and less on the tag which is what cost him some contraversial decisions in his career.

Plus in all honesty you are pretty biased towards Pea so I can't blame you for not seeing the fight playing out as I may see it. I was a fan of both guys and enjoyed watching them fight, I have given Pea the benefit of the doubt yet you still can't even picture another pro fighter even giving Pea a tough time....this goes beyond boxing and more on the lines of obsession :yep

Caper · Sep 5, 2007

Sweet Pea said:

No, it has nothing to do with that, it has to do with the fact that Pea was a much better fighter than Camacho in every aspect. I asked you simple questions, such as how is Camacho gonna win the exchanges on the inside(which you gave no reasons for) and you tried to turn it into a debate over obsessing over fighters, when nothing I said suggested anything of the sort, you're just being a ***** because you have no good points. I wouldn't say Pea would have any trouble with Mancini, and he's a pro, what does being pro matter?. Pea is my favorite fighter, but I am not unrealistic at all, I pick at least a few over him at WW, but none I would favor over him at 135 or 140, though some could very well be even bets or pick up a W.

I asked questions, you answered none, what Pea has proven Hector never did, in his prime he was faster and not as much of a runner, that's it, he was never as good on the inside, that has nothing to do with being a Pea fan, that's common sense, and Pea was certainly the better stalker and more accurate. You saying Pea got too caught up in dodging proves YOU in fact are the one who doesn't know much about him, and are likely just referencing his match with DLH, as he regularly threw 100+ punches per round in his prime. He was not a defensive fighter, he just had great defense, if that makes sense.
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I most def answered your questions you are just looking for a more suitable response that fits into your fine tuned image of this hypthetical match up. I like you so I will reiterate: Pre Rosario Hectore would gladly exchange and win most of the pocket exchanges because of his superior hand speed and superior power. Pea was great in the pocket but he was more of a counter puncher taking advantage of those less adept to recovering from initiating an exchange. Hector had extremely fast hands and would showcase them during the pocket action, if Chavez connected with shots so would Hector with more flash less power.

Again relax, Swea is an ATG no doubt but he was vulnerable. Sorry to tell you but he actually bleeds just like you and me.

Caper · Sep 5, 2007

Sweet Pea said:

You saying Pea got too caught up in dodging proves YOU in fact are the one who doesn't know much about him, and are likely just referencing his match with DLH, as he regularly threw 100+ punches per round in his prime. He was not a defensive fighter, he just had great defense, if that makes sense.
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I don't know much about who.....Swea Pea????

Come on man don't insult my fight game intellegence....just because I don't know the color of his favorite jock strap in now was justifies me not knowing about Pea. I know him and plenty other fighters....trust me :smoke

Just because your ass throws 100, 200, 300 punches a round does not mean your throwing effective punches.....there is a difference. Like I mentioned earlier his most effective attack was that of the counter.

**** the DLH fight I thought Pea at least deserved a draw.....

PR Boxing Lore · Sep 5, 2007

Sweet Pea said:

You're gonna insult me for having a favorite fighter and throw off all my arguments as nut-huggery, but claim this?

Again, this is what makes me think you don't know much Pea. He was very effective as a counter-puncher, but his jab was among the very best in history as well, and he was constantly pushing it in his opponents face, and would counter off of that. He was pushing the offense, forcing his opponents to go on the offense, so he would be in another position to land a punch.
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Ok Pea wins, happy

darkdestroyer · Sep 5, 2007

istmeno said:

anyone who thinks either of these fighters takes a wide decision clearly has a bias. prime for prime this is a very close fight. prime 130 camacho was a once in a lifetime type of fighter. he had all of the tools sick speed, very good defense, good workrate, and above average power. he definitely imo put together some of the best combinations i have seen. pea good speed out of this world defense, decent pop, great work rate. bothe were great boxers.

speed - camacho
power - camacho
defense - pea
work rate - pea
technique - both very unorthodox, very gifted naturally and could get away with mistakes.

this is one helluva matchup, and honestly imo if they fought ten times you could have a different winner in each fight.

camacho ges downgraded alot based on his post rosario career, but at the top of his game, it is simply two great fighters who are very evenly matched.
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Great post. I still can't pick a clear winner although i lean slightly towards sweet pea.

Great fantasy matchup Lore!

dave82 · Sep 5, 2007

PR Boxing Lore said:

Ok Pea wins, happy
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Regardless of who wins, Great thread Lore.

carras · Sep 5, 2007

@ 135 it's a pick'em fight. anyone that says pea wins easily is just crazy or biased.

and I couldn't care less about whatever manny's lying mouth said.
I hate the sparring rumors that fighters, promoters or fans use to base their opinions.

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