Prime Holmes vs Prime Bowe, who wins?

This would be a close fight. I would probably take Bowe because he was a little bigger and stronger and more aggressive. Holmes footwork could make all the difference here, but I think Bowe would win a close decision.

 

Good fight, but I like larry Holmes to take this by a convincing decision... Holmes was quick on his feet, had one of the best jabs of all time and plenty of durability and stamina to reach the finish line.. Bowe was troubled by guys who could keep him at bay with a stiff strait jab, such as Golata, tubbs and Holyfield in their second match.. His defense was questionable and he wasn't the most mobile of fighters either...

 

V.Similar to Lazza Holmes VS Tim "TIMMY!" Spoon. :deal

Bowe And Spoon are v.much alike style-wise though IMO. But PRIME Riddy Bowe is better skilled, has way more experience, much better combos And v.higher workrate then Witherspoon, so it would be ****ing hard to rob him, like they robbed Spoon. But where there's a will for corruption there's a way - erm i mean Don King judges.


Foreman Hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooook!:hat

 

Bowe gives him trouble but Bowe because he had a very good right hand but got hit a lot and although Larry was not a big puncher the jabs and right hands pile up points. I think Larry takes the decision unless Bowe really rocks him with the right hand because Bowe was a better finisher than Shavers or Snipes

 

Bowe would have his moments,giving Holmes some wicked shots to the body as he was a damn good infighter for a tall guy. Holmes would befuddle Riddick frequently with his jab and movement,thus winning the fight.

Holmes by clear decision.

 

And a much more complete fighter , better infighter , used more powerpunches .

I think Bowe would have beaten prime Holmes something like Holyfield beat a post prime Holmes . Holmes may have been somewhat reduced vs Holyfield but Bowe had more than Holyfield 2 offer , especially against some1 who doesn't punch hard .
If Carl Williams & Tim Witherspoon fought him on even terms , Bowe would have done better . Want 2 go further backwards ? if Ken Norton & Earnie Shavers were that close 2 beating him ..
forward again ? Holmes' level of opposition during his consensual prime was as low as 1 could ask 4 (low on a Louis , Patterson level)

 

Same argument works in reverse... If an aged Tony Tubbs, limited andrew Golata and Holyfield fighting outside of his usual style could trouble or "beat" Bowe, by boxing then a far superior technician like Holmes should be able to do the same...

And what did Bowe's reign consist of? Two wins against a shot Dokes and Jesse Ferguson?

 

The bottom line here is I can see Holmes get through and win all the fights Bowe ever had but I cannot say the same for Bowe against Holmes's recorded opponents. Riddick had a peak but there was not the consistancy there to guarantee a win against a peak Holmes who maintained better form against more live opponents. Way back when Holmes took apart rodney Bobick he looked a better fighter than Bowe ever did at his best but Holmes improved on that. Tubbs, Holyfeild, hide and gollota were among the only competative fights that were ever made for Bowe who did not fight an unbeaten fighter until he got to the title. I could not bet on bowe with much confidence against Shavers, tiger williams, Norton, weaver, cooney, berbick and snipes who were real handfuls on the nights they fought Holmes.

Bowe had talent, was brave and had the tools but because of his dimentions he is confused with being capable of domminating in a way lennox lewis and the klitchsko brothers did. The record shows riddick did not earn that comparison. Like buster douglas bowe was only ever truly great one time and that was in a close fight with a man much smaller.

 

The record shows a fighter who lost once to a prime Holyfield. Your post is full of holes and should be erased from this thread.

 

Well he is entitled to his opinion, but I do sort of agree that making a comparison between Bowe and Douglas is pretty ridiculous.

 

explain how and where the holes are?

Holyfeild lost two of 3 fights against Bowe. I am old enough to remember that the dury was still out on Holyfeild as a good champion or not after the cooper, holmes and foreman fights. People at that time were saying a jorneyman cruiserweight nearly beat evander and two old men gave him life and death so what will happen when he fighhts a live real heavyweight? Along came Bowe ( a young real heavyweight) and because Foreman had not yet beat moorer those people at that time were proved right.

Later after Losing to Bowe again, having beat him once, Holyfeilds stock was totaly revised when he beat both Tyson and Moorer but until then he was a kind of mr excitement former champion. Bowe got kudos from Holyfeilds indian summer. The reality is Bowe is considered great because he beat a man twice he also lost to.

People belitle Holmes's domination over fights that politicaly could not get made because his rivals couldnt string many good wins against other contenders but how about Bowe not fighting ruddock, mercer, morrison not to mention Lenox Lewis. There are holes on anyone if you want to play that game.

I say Holmes's pedigree stands up a whole lot more and looked the better fighter, its my opinion what is wrong with that?:huh

 

Holmes outboxes him to a nice UD but Bowe has his moments/rounds. Probably 8-4.

 

Golota was a bigger puncher than Holmes and stronger , he also juiced more and was fresher than Bowe by d time of their fights , not that i agree that Bowe was shot or even close 2 shot by that time , despite it is a concensus u might participate in ?

Holmes may have troubled Bowe 4 a while but nothing beyond "trouble" and who knows that while's duration .

What happens 2 Holmes when he tries 2 clinch and a bigger stronger Bowe infights him ? Bowe was not Holmes' usual bum of d 4 month , not in size nor in power neither in skill . However , Holmes was much closer 2 Bowe's average top opponent than Bowe was 2 Holmes' .
Holmes was better than Golotta in most departments but not even close in terms of danger , also , Holmes might not have enjoyed paraschute man's precious break .
C my response 4d paragraph below regarding that fight .

Jesse Ferguson probably deseved 2 outpoint Raymond Mercer twice , he also outpointed 1 James Douglas and was competitive against both Norris & McCall and stopped Reggie Gross (whom in turn stopped both Bert Cooper & Charles Williams) , then watch what a totally shot Fergusson manage 2 do with Hasim Rahman , Obed Sullivan & Andrezj Golota . Ferguson is more underrated than Mercer is overrated , wait , Ferguson is about as underrated as Holmes is overrated , they even fought while both post prime and Ferguson got with another undeserved "'L'" out of it .
Tony Tubbs was a good fighter who also troubled Orlin Norris , Jesse Fegusson himself , and a more lucrative handful of others , some while past his prime and never while in good shape .
But most importantly , and since I watched that fight , Bowe did not lose 2 Holyfield in their rematch , a draw would have been fitting , and while it wasn't a huge robbery in a 1 fight's scorecard scale it was a huge robbery in terms of Bowe's whole career's scale , u c , Bowe didn't lose that night as well as d paraschute guy may just have saved Holyfield but surely reduced from that fight's legitimacy .
Bowe's reign was better than most's .

 

Not the consistency? He lost one close fight.

He won all these fights. He also fought Seldon, Biggs, Cooper, Thomas, Bigfoot, etc. All the usual suspects that most contenders would face leading up to a title shot. Theres nothing wrong with his opposition leading to his title shot.

What a ridiculous statement. Like facing an undefeated fighter has some sort of significance for a contender? Hmm, so facing Evander Holyfield the undefeated, undisputed heavyweight champion wasnt more of a challenge for a contender?

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What a joke statement. There is no comparison to Douglas. You are talking about a fighter who lost once in a close fight to an ATG not outclassed by journeyman and subpar contenders like Douglas. Bowe was only great once? How about three times against Holyfield. If Holyfield was so small how come he wasnt outclassed by all the bigger guys he faced? Even into his late 30's and 40's??