Prime Holmes vs prime Tyson

So Holmes losing the entire fight would have won without that incident? Again larry at 30 was no different than larry at 38,no matter what Larry showed up its a horrible match up for him,no different than ali would be except Holmes had better defensive skills.

 

why would you ask that, when I said larry wasn't likely to recover? I don't know if you've noticed, but you repeatedly appear to grasp the wrong end of the stick and then go with that failed interpretation for the next few pages.

You appear to be claiming that an athlete at 38 is no different from at 30.
I am not sure what can be done about you Unclet. 38 is a fairly common retiring age for athletes. 30 is when they are in their prime or close to it, and would be fools to retire at.

If you keep making insane claims, theres a point at which you lose your comedy value and just become boring.

 

The underlined is an incredibly stupid statement ,even for one such as you.atsch

 

this doesn't sound very fair termite????

no difference between 30 and 38?

Tyson more than anyone went down hill in his 30's, the same happened to Holmes.

Apologize for your unfair claim termite :hat

 

I think Tyson would win by stoppage.

Prime Holmes had major problems with Mike Weaver and was almost stopped by Earnie Shavers. He had a tendency to drop his hands too much. Tyson would be a tough style matchup for him. I think Mike would have success slipping the jab and getting inside to do damage.

 

So you are saying 43 year old holmes wasn't better than the 85 version who fought Spinks,because up until the Spinks fight he was the SAME fighter...simple logic here.You cannot say Holmes was a better fighter when he was 30,when he took guyslike holyfield the distance and defeated a prime Mercer who was better in everyway than Spinks.Simply put Tyson had the best holmes available and no less than 2 year lay off would indicate otherwise,even if you made the argument hios timing was off Tyson destroyed him in 4 rounds ,the more Larry punches the more hes in danger,watch the fight again.


How is holmes going down hill relevant in any way to Tyson after he dumped his entire team...that's stupid just on they had different styles alone! atsch

 

^^^ Read this gentleman and LEARN!:deal

 

lets go step by step,,,,

forget the 43 year old holmes ok? Get him out of your mind, i am not saying anything about the 43 year old holmes, nobody is talking about it,,,,,,

ok ready termite?

i am saying the 30 year old holmes was better than the 38 year old holmes.

did you get that or did you get confused with the 43 year old holmes somehow again?

 

I don't have to get anything,sadds post explains it perfectly!

 

Good Question

When they finally did fight Holmes older, past prime, heavier and Tyson was prime.

Holmes in his prime was something else about 210 pds good movement great sense of range and timing, cagey, lightening fast, accurate and tough the best jab in heavyweight history.

I could see the way Holmes looked the first 3 rounds against Tyson that he could have done very well with Tyson and possibly outpointed him.

Holmes was a special talent, an ATG and the real heir apparent to Ali he was top quality.

 

of course you dont have to get anything, i was just talking like i was superior to you, dont take it so personally,

here is what you should try to get if you dont mind, i rate Tyson and Holmes neck and neck, very close, i also rate Tyson usually ahead of Holmes, i have Tyson as my number 5 ((or so, i switch them around from year to year)) and Holmes as my number 6.

why am i telling you this? Because your the type of guy to ASSume that i am telling you Holmes would WHOOP Tyson not even realizing that i would still take a prime Tyson by a hair over a prime Holmes. The only difference between me and you on this issue is you think Tyson would whoop him easy whereby i think Holmes could just as easy do a number on Tyson because Holmes had a champs heart and could reach down, dig deep and win close fights. Thus either way i think it would be a closer fight then what took place when Holmes was 38. Seriously Termite, go watch some of prime Holmes, his hands are REALLY fast, faster than they were at 38.

 

The problem with the entire Holmes was this and that is..after Tyson he took a full THREE years off came back won about 5 matches beating Mercer and taking holyfield the distance and actually doing much better than foreman did,after holyfield loss he goes on a 7 fight win streak and losses a contraversail decision to McCall who k.od lewis before that...should I keep going? And so where clear here..38 is close to when he was fighting his best and if the argument is brought up with age well 38 is closer to 35 isn't it/What or who is larry fighting at age 30 and winning convincingly or better than Spinks/Mercer/Holyfield or McCall?Again reference sadds post no more needed to discuss here.Speed is not the open end to end of things...he fought much better and smarter as he aged,i see little difference in speed when he fought Tyson,and that's just because Tyson is that fast.

 

so you think the 43 year old Holmes was better than the younger Holmes in his prime, that's fair, he was pretty good in his older years, i dont think he was better, i dont think he was as good in his older years so lets just agree to disagree on this issue shall we?

 

I don't think 38, 43 year Holmes was as good as 30 yr old. Holmes. He certainly moved better and had better hand speed at 30. I just think he would always have trouble with a fast, defensively sound, hard puncher like prime Tyson. I think prime Holmes could have probably out boxed prime Holyfield and, especially McCall, but not Tyson because of the matchup. Prime Holmes was a pretty good mover, but didn't have the movement of say a prime Ali, and I don't think he had enough movement to beat Tyson

 

I done agree Larry was better in his later career, the reason why he had the success he did in his second care was primarily because of his experience, ring smarts and he adapted to other strategies to compensate for his shot legs.

That being said he would still have issues with a prime Tyson.