Prime Holmes vs Tyson...

:-( Please. Mike Tyson is not Gerry Cooney.:good

 

i agree BUT PRIME HOLMES WAS LIKE NOWONE TYSON FOUGHT

 

The Holmes that Tyson beat had the same style.

 

Amazing how far some fans go.

I mean, Tyson knocked Holmes out cold in a mere four rounds, and that equals Tyson having "trouble"? Holmes had more than a month training camp, enough to get the timing back and would go on to beat a top contender 5 years later. Perhaps it was Tyson that also made Holmes look a little bad?

 

Holmes danced away from Tyson for a WHOLE MINUTE OF THE 3RD AND 4TH ROUND! That obviously means that Tyson struggled with him and a peak Holmes pummels Tyson. All of Holmes poor performances don't count here because its Tyson.

 

Tyson would be in a tough fight against a prime Holmes. And when Tyson gets taken into deep water he usually gets drowned.

 

I cant see Holmes getting past that right hand, that flattened him in four, but I can see Holmes lasting a few more rounds Tyson Ko 7-8 Holmes

 

You mean the one that never would have gotten to him had it not been for the ropes? What Ive noticed about you is that you seem to exagerate Larry's suseptablilty to get hit by the right hand. Chances are, if you throw 50, 60, jabs a round, that eventually someone will get lucky. Which is what happened TWICE in 39 fights. I'm not counting Isaccs because that was a flash knock down. 4 weeks of training, with out any warm up fights, isn't enough to get timing, ability to see punches coming, or to get your snap back after a 2 year lay off.

 

If Larry was out cold, then how to he manage to say "Richie, get me off the damn floor!"? Don't say he was on the ground for 30 seconds, because he would have been up in under 15 if people would get the hell off of him. 4 weeks of training is enough to shake off 2 years of ring rust, and whip back into shape, yup.:nut The Holmes of the Mercer and McCall fights IMO would take the Larry of the Tyson fight. The only reason he took the fight was because he was getting 3.8 mill, nothing more.

 

He got rocked in the 19-8 Weaver, 15-0 Witherspoon fights by right hands, Shavers,Snipes dropped him and Spinks stunned him all with the right and lets face it Tyson flattened him with it and he was rocked in the Smith,fight, most of his other opponents were not punchers, Cooneys right arm was half the size of his left arm, I am not saying Holmes had a glass jaw, just that he square up his 2 feet when stunned and was able to be timed and countered by the right when he jabbed. I saw Tyson Ko him and It is very hard for me to visualize a different ending but there could have been

 

Both of the Spinks fights are on youtube right now, full fights, and I just watched them again. Spinks didn't stun Larry at all with right hands. He stopped Larry once or twice with combo's, but other than that, he didn't. He had the flu in the Weaver fight, and Weaver could hit. Smith was one of the first people to noticably rock and hurt Tyson, and if you saw Witherspoon with no knowledge what so ever about him, would you say he only had 15 fights in the Holmes fight? No. And of course, its hard for you to imagine a different ending with Larry against Tyson, unfortunately, thats what he's remembered for. Its a shame really.

 

Total Cop out.....Larry Holmes was a great champion prior to facing Tyson. He had a 48-2 record and a 7 year reign as champion making 20 defences of the title. I have a hard time believing that a man of his calibre and a champion of his pedigree would come in to be cannon fodder for Mike Tyson. I think its absolute BS. He did not come in underprepared because nobody in thier right minds would come in underprepared against Mike Tyson. Larry simply got beat by a young brilliant fighter in the height of his powers.

As for a prime for prime I think Tyson takes him in 8 rounds.

 

People always say that Tyson could never last past the sixth round or so, but in reality prime Tyson was just as dangerous in the championship rounds. Look at the Douglas fight. The Tyson that gassed out vs. Lewis and quit against Williams and McBride wasn't even the same guy that took Holmes out, really.

I see a "prime" Holmes maybe lasting a few extra rounds, but Tyson catches him late. I think a prime Holmes might've been easier for Tyson to catch, too, because he might've been more confident. Tyson was TRAINED to beat guys like Holmes - he had his number.

 

I must have watched the Tyson/Holmes fight with blinders on or something. I didn't think Tyson had any trouble with Holmes whatsoever. I mean, Holmes was never in any danger of actually winning the fight. Holmes basically followed the blueprint that he would later employ during his comeback - go backwards, tie the opponent up and clinch! He fought a strictly negative fight; he didn't really fight much at all during the first four rounds. It wasn't until he started to open up a bit in the fourth that Larry got nailed. I have a feeling that a prime Holmes would not be able to handle Tyson's speed, pressure, and overall quickness. Outboxing Shavers, Snipes and Cooney is one thing, but Tyson is a completely different package; a much more dangerous package.