Prime Holyfield VS Prime Lewis

ok i see what your saying, i was coming from the point of view that could be wrong, that being that "somehow" Holy was one of those guys that "seemed" to get stronger as he got older, he did a lot of weights for a boxer and imo may have got stronger after Bowe and Holy 1, then again i am just assuming he did so i cant say for sure.

but from a stamina point of view i agree with you about Bowe Holy 1, one of the best fights ever.

 

Swag, did you, or did you not, write that review. Mongoose went to your defense based on his belief that you did and you very much implied after his post that you did. But that'd not how l read that post.

So did you or didn't you? Pretty simple question

 

Which I think overrides any possible gains in strength and possibly power Holyfield may have added.

I always look for declining workrates among fighters when looking for possible slippage. Everything a fighter does is predicated on their stamina and conditioning. It's huge because boxing has weight classes so you cannot just rely on blowing right through guys who are too small for you. The playing field is evened so stamina becomes crucial in boxing.

 

If I'm going to be obnoxious wouldn't Holyfield's prime technically be at 190 pounds???

Chronologically yes 28 is go time for a fighter. But size is size and Holyfield was a cruiserweight.

 

yeah so true :good

 

that's why Holy is a bizarre case imo, he put on 20lbs of pure muscle at a fairly late age which is rare.

 

Well my dad did the same thing lol. Went from not lifting weights in his life to lifting weights in his late 20s and put on 30 lbs of muscle over the next 5 years.

It's kind of shocking how much muscle one can add by eating more and lifting weights. A man in his late 20s previously unweight-trained who decides to eat more and lift heavy weights can put on tons of muscle mass.

 

you're not wrong. I thoroughly enjoyed watching it, a lot of action. I didn't remember it being so entertaining.

I'm not suggesting this, I just think from the breakdown that was posted by yourself, round 8 was a pretty clear Lewis round.
Coincidently I think Holyfield has a good claim to round 9, which I believe was scored for Lewis on that particular breakdown

 

That sums it up. Evander should have had to work his way back into a rematch.

Another thing people don't seem to acknowledge is that was Lennox and his B game for the rematch. And he still won. Lewis does not leave big enough defensive liabilities for a guy like Holyfield to land punches easily. He has to work a ton to score anything.


The other big big issue with the rematch is that there was ever one in the first place. Lewis could have done like so many others and priced himself out of it. Like wanting 80 or 90 % of the purse. Or, he could have insisted the fight take place in the UK. Get it out of Vegas. Or, he could have refused to deal the DKP again like so many other heavyweights. Not a whole lot of guys signing contracts to take on Don King fighter twice in a row, are there? Especially after getting the short end of the stick.

Lewis could have done like Bowe and milked things with a few softie defenses and turn it into a 20 moths later rematch. He didn't.
Lots of ways for that rematch to never happen and it's amazing it ever took place.