Prime Holyfield VS Prime Lewis

Well, I misread, my fault, he used quotes and I didn't see them.

He did give his thoughts on the first post and promised to rewatch.

 

I would pick Evander under Steward of Bowe 2 as his heavyweight best.

He came in at 217 for that one.

 

My break down. I now use more even rounds, like the classic system. I'm sick of having to pick a poison, a fighter clearly wins the round of he doesnt.

1. Even. Lewis is busier but Evander is catching it all. Holyfield lands a few clean shots but not enough. 10 10

2. Lewis. Lewis keeps him at the end of his jab, some clean hits, lands a good uppercut as well. 19 20

3. Holyfield. Evander catches and slips most of Lewis punches, and makes a big impression with a clean right counter. Than another, and Lewis is forced to back paddle and grab as Evander lands short hooks. 29 29

4.Lewis. Lewis keeps him at his jab again, catches Holyfields counter attempts, lands a few touching right hands. 38 39

5. Holyfield. Lots of wrestling, both land good single shots in between, but the big left hook is the highlight. 48 48

6.Holyfield. Evander impressively out jabs Lewis. 58 57

7. Holyfield. Lewis starts off with good short uppercuts but ends up visibly hurt by a short hook, He ends up wobbly on the ropes, and hanging on. Holyfeild lands a variety of big counters as Lewis tries to fight back. Dominating Evander round. 68 66

8. Even. Both men look tired and take turns landing sporadic clean punches. 78 76

9. Holyfield. Lewis looks arm weary, Holyfield lands several solid combinations. Lewis tries to flurry in the closing 30 seconds, hits a good uppercut but not enough. 88 85

10. Lewis. Clear Lewis round, Evander looks tired. 97 95

11. Lewis. Lewis works the jab, some are caught, some find their mark. Lewis lands a couple clean combos to really put his stamp on it and cancel out a few Holyfield counters.
106 105

12. Holyfield. Evander with clean combos and counters. Lewis missing pawing punches and clinching.

116 114 Evander.

 

Plausible l guess l disagree that the 1st round was even or the 8th round. I had both rounds for Lewis particularly the 1st. I also gave Lewis the 3rd. The 9th could have gone either way. Didn't score any rounds even.

 

What did Lewis do in those rounds that made them clearly his?

 

Controlled the round with his jab. Threw more punches. How are those two for starters. He CLEARLY won the first round. The 3rd was closer but he was the busier fighter.

The essentially controlled the first for the first 4 rounds with his jab then Holyfield kicked it up a notch in the 5th and won the next couple of rounds (5-7), the 8th and 9th were close rounds. For Lewis to have lost on your scorecard you would have had to give every close round to Holyfield or called them even with is pretty much what you've done. I'm a little more balanced than that. I gave a close round (9) to Holyfield and I also gave him the 12th, even though two judges gave the 12th to Lewis.

So the big difference between our scores is that you scored 1 & 8 even and you gave Holyfield the 3rd round. I gave all 3 of these rounds to Lewis.

Either way, unlike in their first fight, this fight is close enough not to be considered a robbery. It's extremely reasonable to give Lewis the nod on this fight.

 

I never said all these rounds were clearly his. I said the 1st round was clearly his and I thought he did enough in the 3rd and 8th to get the nod on these rounds.

There were essentially 4 rounds up for debate. The 3rd, the 5, the 8 and the 9. I split these in half and gave Holyfield the 5th and the 9th, and Lewis the 3rd and the 8th. You gave all of these to Holyfield with the exception of the 8th which you called a draw.

If it matters, the punch stats show that Lewis landed 195 punches while Holyfield landed 137. So it's going to be pretty hard to convince me that this was a robbery, despite all of Swag's bull****.
Especially since all the rounds which were won big, were won by Holyfield. So given that, Lewis was clearly the busier fighter throughout the match.

The AP scored the fight 116-113 Lewis.

http://www.fightsaga.com/boxing-videos/item/3005-Holyfield-vs-Lewis-2-(1999)-Facts,-Stats-Highlights

 

As I rewatch the fight again, the 3rd round, wasn't as close as I originally thought. Lewis won this by dominating the first 2 1/2 minutes of the round. The last 30 seconds were back and forth, with Holyfield landing 3 unanswered punches at the end. But that doesn't negate all the activity that took place before that.

 

I didnt see much effective jabbing in those rounds.

I don't care if he was busier in 3, Holyfield was landing more solid jabs Than rocked him with the best and most clean power shot of the fight at that point, and pressed with more clean punches, with Lewis ending the round on the ropes holding Evanders arm.


If you give my even rounds to Lewis, you still have a draw. I don't care about fairness, if the round was difficult to call, I left it even. I feel some default these rounds to Lewis because he was busier missing jabs.

I feel 3 and 9 were clear Evander rounds.

 

Lewis missing punches for a minute.

Holyfield starts finding him with triple jabs.

Last 30 seconds certainly not back and forth. Holyfield landing clean power shots, Lewis not.

 

I watched it yet again.

Lewis landed 6 punches in the first minute 5 jabs and one power punch, Holyfield landed none.

Second minute and half of the third, Lewis clearly dominated.

Last 30 seconds was a back and forth with Holyfield getting the best of it. Lewis landed 2-3 power punches with 14-8 seconds left, Holyfield responded with about 4-5 punches.

Holyfield won the last 30 seconds of it but that's about it. Hell he was posturing most of the round and wasn't even throwing.