Prime Jack Dempsey vs the following fighters

Coz they weren't very good.

 

This sort of response lends me to think that the espouser is more suited to Cosplay or costume dramas than actual boxing analysis.

 

Dempsey UD
Dempsey KO
Dempsey KO
Dempsey KO
Dempsey TKO
Dempsey KO
Dempsey UD - 70/30 fight

 

Gibbons had world class boxing skills but only demonstrated these at lightheavy. He has ZERO resume at heavyweight. Willard had rudimentary skills, little athleticism, not a lot of fighting heart and only passing interest in the game. Firpo didn't even have barrio class skills but wasn't afraid. He is remembered as a concocted threat to the title that Rickard & Co. cashed in. Again, our beloved sport was closer to pro wrestling at that stage of its development. But you know this all.

 

I favor Dempsey over them all - Tucker and Michael Spinks being the tougher test - Carl Williams would use his great jab very well until he got hit by a Dempsey hook - I don't expect a Tyson repeat KO 1 over Spinks but you never know-

Dempsey would hit Golota in the balls before Golota would think about it and finish with his hook and right hand - Golota would smell the Alpha Dog and find a way to exit stage left- Tubbs was a Tubb and would go down at some point like he did vs Tyson- Stewart gets beat up badly- that's my guess - Tucker had a decent chin- boxing skills and size but not enough to beat Jack

Buster had one good night but goes the way of the Holyfield fight vs JD around round 7

 

Canelo Alvarez has only had 1 fight at light heavyweight yet it's clear he would beat most if not all current light heavies. Roy Jones only had 1 legitimate outing at heavyweight yet would whip up a lot of good natural heavyweights from history. Just because they don't have a long list of fights at heavyweight doesn't mean they wouldn't be competitive imo.

 

Nobody is favoring Canelo over Beterbiev, Gvozdyk or Bivol. And since this a cross era challenge, who is favoring him over Spinks or Foster or Jones, Jr?

Jones hand-picked the one belt holder he could control and quickly left the division because, as his father said, he didn't want to get killed.

And neither of these is an apple to apple comparison because Gibbons had ZERO meaningful victories at heavyweight. ZERO.

 

The current light heavyweight division is made up of more than those 3 guys. Canelo took out Kovalev who was still good enough to beat Yarde and another contender in Alvarez. Beterbiev has been put on the canvas twice already by mediocre opposition. Canelo would beat up Gvozdyk. Bivol would be a tough fight but I think Canelo could manage it. Everyone else in the division Canelo would clean out.

As for Jones of course he didn't want any part of that heavyweight division. The top guys were Lewis, Klitschkos, Tua, and other guys he never would have got past or at least would have been taking a major gamble. Nevertheless his win over Ruiz and activity at light heavyweight shows he would be competitive in other generations of the heavyweight division. Had he been fighting in the late 40s or 1950s he could have won a title.

Tommy Gibbons had wins at heavyweight such as 2 over Billy Miske, you just don't accept them. He had beaten Harry Greb who was also highly regarded as dangerous to heavyweights. There were plenty of other heavyweights he beat, they were just mediocre fighters. Better than most but never had a chance at the title.

 

I don't see Canelo doing as well as you do. Not even close. This can be supported by the fact he relinquished the belt a month after taking out a stale Kova who many were recommending retire. I don't think his Kova tactics are going to work on Beterbiev who throws tight and extremely powerful punches, not a range jabber who drops a right when safe.

I actually agree that Jones would have success in the 40's and 50's at heavy. However, we are talking about those from the 80's and 90's. And Jones was such an outlier talent-wise, and one whose style relied almost solely on that talent.

Gibbons victories were over a 163 pound Miske and a dying Miske. Those hardly count as meaningful heavyweight victories for me.

 

Yarde isn't very good... and Kovalev still nearly lost to him. Alverez absolutely thrashed Kovalev too, the box and move plan worked and was probably Kovalev's best win

Callum Johnson would knock Canelo the **** out. He's a brute and way too big for Canelo. He's also top 5 in the division. I don't see how him or Gvozdyk (who was ring's #1) is 'mediocre opposition'.

I shudder at the thought of what someone like Smith Jr would do when he lands. Canelo wouldn't even be the best Mexican at 175 right now. Zurdo would slap him round the ring, it's exactly why Canelo isn't fighting at 175.

Miske was a Middleweight come light-heavyweight. This excuse for a HW win is as pathetic as the 'top win' Dempsey has over Gibbons.

I never got this "oh he beat Greb, who beat HWs, so he must be a good Heavyweight too". Greb is the anomaly here. Greb also beat Gibbons. Just because Ken Overlin can beat Ezzard Charles doesn't mean he can beat Joe Louis. Boxing has never, and will never work like that.

 

He relinquished the belt because he's trying to make the most money. He'll make more money with a GGG trilogy or other fights at middleweight like Charlo than he would with anyone at light heavyweight.

Beterbiev fights a very rigid upright style. He's skilled but has rather basic compared to the versatility of Canelo and other active fighters. His punching power is the best thing he's got going for him.

I brought up Jones as an example of a fighter with minimal outings at heavyweight that would do good in the heavyweight division. Not specifically for the 80s and 90s. More specifically for a division of fighters similar to what he weighed in at.

Miske and Gibbons fought at heavyweight twice. Miske won the first match by dq which Gibbons was more than likely winning given his performance in the next fight only two months later.

Miske was not "dying" in the dramatic scene that you're attempting to create. Nephritis doesn't make someone bed ridden or really manifest in many ways involving sports performance. If it did he wouldn't have been able to compete with Tommy Gibbons, Bill Brennan or really anyone that wasn't some local can.

I knew a fellow Marine that was being medically retired because of Nephritis. He could still bench press 315 for reps, deadlift nearly 600 lbs and squat in the upper 400s. Was very much able to continue his typical cardio as well and make gains in the gym at 190lbs.

 

This is incredibly laughable. Callum Johnson has wins over absolute cans and unranked opponents. He wouldn't hear the bell for the last round against Canelo. I was clearly referring to Page as the other fighter.

Miske hadn't weighed 175 since 1918 and that was to fight Greb. He was fighting heavyweights prior to and after. Fighting at heavyweight as early as 1916...

Gibbons was competing at heavyweight. Overlin was not.


I don't care too much to continue a dialogue with you. You don't any concept of how to carry on a mutually respectful conversation. Every time I see your posts they look like something after I wipe my ass with it.

 

Those 'cans' were absolutely destroyed, and he made the best LHW in the world (who'd walk straight through Canelo) **** his pants and run for two rounds.

I know who else you were referring to. That KD was clearly a balance issue, if Beterbeiv had a bad chin he wouldn't have took the shots he did vs Gvozdyk.

So he started of as a MW, went up through LHW and was a 180-190 HW? So, exactly what I said? Okay then.

Gibbons had less than 10 fights (of 100+) at HW. One of which is the Dempsey fight and the others are at the end of his career. It wouldn't be mentioned among the best wins for ANY other HW. And for good reason.

The analogy was apt. Just coz one guy can beat someone who beat HWs, doesn't mean that guy can beat HWs himself.

I don't often see double standards this blatant, but I make a point to laugh when I do.

You can't say someone else can't have a respectfully conversation, then insult the same person in the same paragraph. It makes you look like a clown. If you don't wanna talk with me, be my guest. I really don't care. You've been here less than a week and have no idea about my posts. Unless you're an alt of course, but either way, it's not skin of my teeth.