Prime Jack Dempsey vs the following fighters

Do you seriously think Beterbiev **** his pants and ran for two rounds?

Clearly not because you thought I was talking about Gvozdyk.

You thought he was a middle to blown up light heavyweight. Miske was very much a natural heavy.

You're the only one in this entire thread that is mentioning Gibbons as Dempsey's best win.

Gibbons was literally beating heavyweights.

You're the one who chose to be disrespectful. Start painting your face with clown make up if you think I'm going to show respect after being disrespected for no legitimate reason.

 

I got Dempsey over all of them

 

Given I've seen the fight, and once he got up, he got in his bike for two rounds, yes.

No dumbass, I told you straight that Gvozdyk hit him and Beterbeiv was unfazed. I didn't say anything about him being dropped by him.

He was a MW then a LHW then a HW.

I never said anything otherwise.

I didn't. I said he's mentioned as one of them. Try and read. It's not hard.

Name me his top 5 HW wins. He beat one HW. And it wasn't even a good one.

I wasn't. You're just too insensitive.

 

I would pay more to watch him get destroyed by Beterbiev than another GGG robbery.

I'm missing the point here. I don't think Jones would do well against the 80's heavies like Tucker. Spinks would be a good, competitive match-up but I'm picking Mike.

I suggest you read Clay Moyle's bio of Miske. He was in truly wretched shape for those final bouts. He was trying to leave his young family a nest egg as he had blown his wad on a failed automobile business and he knew he didn't have long. For the Brennan bout in particular he hadn't eaten in a week.

Again, Gibbons has zero track record at heavyweight. Thus, he is not a significant heavyweight pelt for Dempsey. The fact that Dempsey was allowed to punch him low for the entire bout under the watchful eye of his ex-roommate and referee Jim Daugherty does not speak well to Dempsey's superiority himself at heavyweight. Again, refer to Moyle's Miske bio in reference to the latter.

 

I’d pick Dempsey over everyone, but Michael Spinks, who in peak condition could pull a Tunney on him. Alex Stewart had the mobility and handspeed to give Dempsey a lot of problems, but I don’t see him staying disciplined enough for a whole fight to decision Dempsey.

Tucker, Douglas, Tubbs, Golota, and Williams all eventually get cut down.

 

No fighter has been given higher estimations of potential based on beating poorer opponents than Dempsey. Its truly baffling that anyone can draw a correlation between those he beat and those they suggest he could beat.

 

Whatever man. You live in a world where Beterbiev ran from Johnson, think that Miske was a natural middleweight, and think that Gibbons is Dempsey's best win.

I'm not going to try and change your mind.

 

I never said that Gibbons was Dempsey's best win, or that Miske was natural Middleweight.

But basic reading comprehension is probably too much to expect from someone like you.

 

I'm sure Clay Moyle's book is great overall but he's not much of an authority on medical issues. Especially considering everything he is saying about it is from a point of view 100 years removed and the sources he used probably had no medical background themselves or really understood what was going on.

Had Billy Miske's kidney failure at the time he fought Gibbons been as bad as you suggested then do you really think he would have won the prior 2 years worth of fights? About 20 fights against the likes of Bill Brennan, Willie Meehan, Fred Fulton, Martin Burke, Jack Renault, and Charley Weinert multiple times in many cases. Think critically here. If Canelo Alvarez woke up tomorrow with all of the symptoms of advanced stage Kidney failure that you assert do you think he'd be able to compete with Golovkin, Jacobs, or any of the other guys he's competed against that are still active? Of course not. At least I assume you're rational. You seem pretty rational so far. That's why I think his disease in relation to his boxing ability are pretty exaggerated.

Hadn't ate in a week? C'mon man there's no way that's true. A high level athlete would perform poorly without eating for 24 hours. Not eating for a week he probably would have died going to the ring. Especially while suffering from kidney failure. I'm no doctor but even I know that's worse if you have preexisting conditions.

I think a win over Tommy Gibbons is better than a lot of the other 20s heavyweights purely because of his resume and skill level. Harry Wills would have been even better. I mean is Tommy Gibbons really worse than anyone else that the previous heavyweight champs defended against? Jack Johnson had defended against the likes of well past prime and severely inactive Jeffries and middleweight Stanley Ketchel. The champ before that was a middleweight himself. Tommy Burns hadn't fought any legit heavyweights prior to winning the title and nobody says anything about that compared to how much I hear about Dempsey.

 

Here I'll quote you since your memory isn't so good.

You called Miske a middleweight come light heavyweight. NOT a legit heavyweight. Then you call Dempsey's win over Gibbons his "top win". There's no need to lie man. We can see your posts.

 

He loses to all of them. Williams is the only one he might stand a chance of beating.

 

Keep dreaming.

 

Yes, even Stewart.